the You tube clearly shows that music production is so different from music reproduction.
The music maker has to find what equipment best suits the style he/she wants for that piece of music.
That post made me laugh and i couldn't agree more . My son is currently in his third year of a music course
and his band perform at various venues accompanied by a tutor who is the " sound engineer " at the gigs.
With every performance completely ruined by his total incompetence at " knob twiddling " i am amazing that he is allowed to teach ,oddly he does have a noticeable mono-brow 🙂
I agree with that and want to add that the misconcept with these amateur sound people is the lack of training and knowledge. Every amateur musician rehearses ages, before he dares to enter stage. A sound man has to bring a similar qualification, or should be fired.
Btw, the standard has become much better over the last decades and there are quite good guys around here now in the local scene.
Btw, the standard has become much better over the last decades and there are quite good guys around here now in the local scene.
well personal as a knob turning neanderthal as well as a musician. I found those comments a little offensive and had you given the sound man more to work with maybe we might have even herd of your band.
been running sound for 15 years, when it goes wrong or sounds bad its all my fault. but when it sounds great as it does 99% of the time not even a thank you
been running sound for 15 years, when it goes wrong or sounds bad its all my fault. but when it sounds great as it does 99% of the time not even a thank you
well personal as a knob turning neanderthal as well as a musician. I found those comments a little offensive and had you given the sound man more to work with maybe we might have even herd of your band.
been running sound for 15 years, when it goes wrong or sounds bad its all my fault. but when it sounds great as it does 99% of the time not even a thank you🙄
been running sound for 15 years, when it goes wrong or sounds bad its all my fault. but when it sounds great as it does 99% of the time not even a thank you🙄
I play the same dual roles. Nothing fancy, just in a couple of amateur jam groups over the last few years.
Sure, I've had dealings with restaurant, church, and coffee-shop soundmen who were totally incompetent at getting a decent mix and tonal balance. I've also met more than a few electric guitarists who dial up absolutely horrible tone, usually of the shrill and piercing variety and 10 dB too loud for the mix, and have not a clue how nasty they sound.
There are no boundaries on incompetence, it's an equal-opportunity sport. Musicians can play too, just like soundmen. 😀
But people like to play "us and them". In these games, "them" are always bad, stupid, ugly, and have bad breath. "us" are good, smart, handsome, and betterrer than "them" in every way. 😀
-Gnobuddy
I've always wondered WHY, in the Video/TV/Film world, that the "sound man" is ALWAYS the LEAST competent guy of the crew? It is invariably true; oftentimes he is the "brother" or "cousin" of someone important, and in need of something to do, so they make him the 'sound guy'.
Maybe UK & USA are different, but here in the UK, our TV sound crew pride themselves in the sound quality they get on our broadcasts.
It is worth hearing next time you visit when a Live music plus video broadcast is on.
It is worth hearing next time you visit when a Live music plus video broadcast is on.
Not with the people I usually work, at all.
But I usually work with PROs, of course 😉
Now with amateur bands, who don´t have a cent to spare, IF they give that most important job to somebody fully incompetent, just because he´s hanging around and won´t cost a cent .... then it´s fully, absolutely their fault, and can´t complain about anything but themselves.
By the way, the FIRST thing they must do is to strictly follow his advice.
If not , no knob turning will solve the mess afterwards, the "we´ll solve it in the mix" is nothing but a myth or wishful thinking.
Why blame the soundguy if the Guitar Player nuked all sound on stage by running his oversized amplifier (which he should never have bought in the first place) full blast or at least above 6 (which means exactly the same) "because it soundsn good".
I don´t get why a bedroom or at best garage sized player buys a 100W amp... or even 50W ... what for?
Let him buy a 5W (bedroom) to 15W (garage/small Club) amp and call it a day.
Just sayin´ (after 47 years of Live Sound from cellars to World Cup Stadiums)
we have one guy with an vox ac15 who comes to our jam nights at the club with his band, he's good as now but the first 4 or 5 times I had to tell him to turn down, high pitched piercing lead with the vox absolutely cranked. now he plays nice in the mix and I even like most of his music (original surf punk) its good for 30 minutes or so .
I agree. I've never been in the UK - but have enjoyed many BBC productions for decades. Impeccable sound quality has always been a feature.
It's no coincidence that, in the early days, the BBC was even at the forefront of monitor (loudspeaker) research and development. They couldn't find anything good enough off-the-shelf, so they designed their own.
While it's not universal, there certainly are American shows with excellent sound. For example, I watched a few episodes of "Nashville" on Netflix. The show isn't my cup of tea, but features some talented actor/singers, and I couldn't help but notice the excellent sound quality.
-Gnobuddy
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