No, DF is defined using speaker nominal impedance not actual impedance at any particular frequency.Galu said:The damping factor will increase at resonance with your speakers since the impedance rises from a nominal 8 ohm to around 100 ohm.
Thanks DF96.
So, is the following quote correct?
So, is the following quote correct?
Damping factor is, indirectly, a measure of output impedance. If an amplifier has an output impedance of 1 Ohm and it drives an 8 Ohm loudspeaker, then the damping factor is 8 (i.e. loudspeaker impedance divided by output impedance). Of course, if a 4 Ohm loudspeaker is connected it becomes 4, suggesting damping has decreased, when in fact output impedance remains the same.
Yes, provided that the 8 and 4 are nominal speaker impedances. Note that putting a 4 ohm speaker on the amp means that damping probably has decreased.
Basically, DF is an attempt to quantify output impedance in a way which looks impressive but is easy to grasp by nontechnical people. 'DF=80' looks so much better than 'output impedance=0.1 ohms'. 'DF=160' looks even better (twice as good?), but in fact it is well into the realm of diminishing returns. As I said, damping varies something like 1 +1/DF.
Basically, DF is an attempt to quantify output impedance in a way which looks impressive but is easy to grasp by nontechnical people. 'DF=80' looks so much better than 'output impedance=0.1 ohms'. 'DF=160' looks even better (twice as good?), but in fact it is well into the realm of diminishing returns. As I said, damping varies something like 1 +1/DF.
This would show in the speaker impedance, it could also be compensated.If the damping factor is too low, I think that all resonances of the loudspeaker will colour the sound.
That's a good summing up DF96!
Allow me to add the information I have unearthed in the hope that it will assist others unfamiliar with the topic.
The output impedance of the typical transistor amp is very low, due to the use of negative feedback, and the damping factor consequently so high that it doesn't pose an issue.
Valve amps have higher output impedances leading to lower damping factors which may be an issue, particularly in relation to Single Ended designs with zero feedback.
The secret lies in matching loudspeaker to amplfier. Under damped loudspeakers are best coupled with transistor amps, while over damped loudspeakers are best suited to valve amplifiers.
This is where active speakers have the advantage, as the matching has already been done for you!
Allow me to add the information I have unearthed in the hope that it will assist others unfamiliar with the topic.
The output impedance of the typical transistor amp is very low, due to the use of negative feedback, and the damping factor consequently so high that it doesn't pose an issue.
Valve amps have higher output impedances leading to lower damping factors which may be an issue, particularly in relation to Single Ended designs with zero feedback.
The secret lies in matching loudspeaker to amplfier. Under damped loudspeakers are best coupled with transistor amps, while over damped loudspeakers are best suited to valve amplifiers.
This is where active speakers have the advantage, as the matching has already been done for you!
Valve amps can have adequately low output impedance, although not as low as solid-state. Fortunately, there is no technical advantage in extremely low output impedance - for SS it is almost a byproduct of NFB added for other reasons. Hence well-designed SS and well-designed valve amps can drive the same speakers.
DSCkDON'T PANIC!!
I'm after suggestions based on aesthetics and practicality please.....
My speakers get moved around a lot, most of the time they are in the middle of my room. The floor is cork tiles. I want a very flexible cable that will stand being moved a lot and lie flat without complaining, and that will also blend with the floor colour to a degree. I like the look of this https://www.lampspares.co.uk/3-core...Gsr5g7TwkdAa_CAeu7CflR_AeEDc4ruBoC8BQQAvD_BwE but am open to all suggestions/advice. Thanks.
This is competent cable and lies flat. It isn't cork coloured so you'd have to paint it. Maybe they do a transparent version.
Aw shucks, you're taking all the controversy, and the concomitant fun, out of it!Hence well-designed SS and well-designed valve amps can drive the same speakers.

Or you could paint the tiles white! 😀It isn't cork coloured so you'd have to paint it.
Much better idea. 🙂Or you could paint the tiles white! 😀
@scottjoplin: Cork floor tiles are very 1970s...high time for a makeover. 😀
If recycling is a passion then stick the cork to your walls to damp reflections.
You could make a pile of cork tiles to lift the cable off the floor.
This remark is made in penitence for suggesting that valve and SS amps can drive the same speakers.
This remark is made in penitence for suggesting that valve and SS amps can drive the same speakers.
The Wikipedia definition seems a little ambiguous, it talks about using only the resistive part of the impedance, then later goes on to sayNo, DF is defined using speaker nominal impedance not actual impedance at any particular frequency.
"A high damping factor indicates that an amplifier will have greater control over the movement of the speaker cone, particularly in the bass region near the resonant frequency of the driver's mechanical resonance. However, the damping factor at any particular frequency will vary, since driver voice coils are complex impedances whose values vary with frequency."
Reading around it does seem to be largely a made up term for marketing purposes. I'll probably use 0.75mm to be on the safe side
DSCk
This is competent cable and lies flat. It isn't cork coloured so you'd have to paint it. Maybe they do a transparent version.
I can't see that laying flat in a curve?
Back in fashion, haven't you heard, the authentic hipster look. They're dipoles, so I won't be damping the reflections......@scottjoplin: Cork floor tiles are very 1970s...high time for a makeover. 😀
If recycling is a passion then stick the cork to your walls to damp reflections.
What curve...you didn't mention this in your OP. So you want a copper cable that is cork coloured and lays flat on the floor and curves at the same time?I can't see that laying flat in a curve?
Anything else you want while I'm emailing Uri Geller?
Yes please, is that too much to ask in the 21st century?So you want a copper cable that is cork coloured and lays flat on the floor and curves at the same time?
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