one thing email collectors do to get email addresses is simple:
send out an email to a random lettered email address, if it's good the email gets accepted, if it's not, then an error message comes back.
now just write a program around that...
if email comes back as an error, then do not store email.
else
store email address.
/end of program
Begin selling addresses to people....
really sucks
send out an email to a random lettered email address, if it's good the email gets accepted, if it's not, then an error message comes back.
now just write a program around that...
if email comes back as an error, then do not store email.
else
store email address.
/end of program
Begin selling addresses to people....
really sucks
Spammers can just pick a well known domain that provides email, take a name list, which you can find anywhere online, then append letters and numbers afterwords, just millions of messages. Most spammers would like to build a profile on who they spam, which is what thing like Gator do, or when you sign up for a email service and it asks you questions about your interests - they are just building a profile on you, they can make more profits when spamming you(That was a nice run-on sentance, no?). If you're using a spam filter, and a very poor one, then that could be away around it.
Although they do want to profile you so that they can target
their spam mails better, most of them just send out spam mail
systematically. Either they simply go through all possible
combinations of letters and digits up to some length for the
major ISPs, or they buy CDROMS with email lists.
Targeting is very bad. I have never indicated any need for
taking loans in the US, I do not consider myself in need of
either Viagra, cures for losing weight, anti-Anthrax antibioticum
or gasmasks, CDROMS with email address lists for sending out
advertiesements (ie. spam mail), yet I frequently receive such
offers (well, the anthrax was a temporary thing a year ago).
Furthermore, can anybody explain why somebody thinks that
I, a mail living in Sweden, would be interested in consulting a
gyneacologist in Washington DC??
their spam mails better, most of them just send out spam mail
systematically. Either they simply go through all possible
combinations of letters and digits up to some length for the
major ISPs, or they buy CDROMS with email lists.
Targeting is very bad. I have never indicated any need for
taking loans in the US, I do not consider myself in need of
either Viagra, cures for losing weight, anti-Anthrax antibioticum
or gasmasks, CDROMS with email address lists for sending out
advertiesements (ie. spam mail), yet I frequently receive such
offers (well, the anthrax was a temporary thing a year ago).
Furthermore, can anybody explain why somebody thinks that
I, a mail living in Sweden, would be interested in consulting a
gyneacologist in Washington DC??
PerAnders,
If you like me have Telia as ISP you know that you have an account name with a letter and some digits. These are mapped to your actual e-mail address in their system. However you can also send e-mail directly to the account name (which is stupid IMO). When the bad guys pick up one they know the other zillion automatically...not too difficult.
/UrSv
If you like me have Telia as ISP you know that you have an account name with a letter and some digits. These are mapped to your actual e-mail address in their system. However you can also send e-mail directly to the account name (which is stupid IMO). When the bad guys pick up one they know the other zillion automatically...not too difficult.
/UrSv
UrSv, I have an account with ms343282@xyz.se connected to my "normal" adress, but still, I don't want to change my real address, what shall I do? Is it possible to set up a "firewall" of some kind? Tele2 seems not to have any spam blocking features. You can only complain about spam and abuse coming from within the Tele2 net, so it seems.
SPAM
All,
It seems we're all suffering the same nuisance.
Forgive me if I repeat someone else's statement here,I admit to not having read all the err,"spam".
Be it at home or at work,it's about time these people understand that playing "Big Brother" is rather counterproductive.
Experience confirms that:
-no matter what ISP you're choosing,sooner or later they may sell off their addressee's list.
-no matter what you do,you just can't win.
-The way they generate random e-mail addresses is as simple as it comes.
-You already complain on an average of three (3) spam mails a day?
-Any proposed solution to the problem is not always effective either;
Here are some random ideas you may can try:
-Use "Big Brother's" own tools and use something like a web based account for anything not "personal".
-Block anything you do not want to see in your mailbox,online.
-It may not surprise you when I say that that mailbox catches most of the junk.The advantage of an internet based mailbox is that it will not hit your hard disk unless you let it.
-In my personal mailbox I never had any spam so far.I do hold my breath.
-I use a decent router,any software telling me (as spamware) that my IP address is exposed is telling me my provider has his IP exposed in reality.
-Since I can't tell my ISP where to hit it off and they seem to be secure behind their firewalls,so am I... for the moment.
-I'm not overly paranoid on exposure on the internet,I do have an understanding of what TCPIP is,what it can and can not do.
-No,there is no such thing as security much the same way as there is no such thing as insurance against insecurity either.
-What I also do is monitor any suspicious activity from the installed software firewall,some out there is actually really good.
-With firewall software it is as whith backup software,if you do not use it in the right way there is no point in having it.
No need to panic?
All,
It seems we're all suffering the same nuisance.
Forgive me if I repeat someone else's statement here,I admit to not having read all the err,"spam".
Be it at home or at work,it's about time these people understand that playing "Big Brother" is rather counterproductive.
Experience confirms that:
-no matter what ISP you're choosing,sooner or later they may sell off their addressee's list.
-no matter what you do,you just can't win.
-The way they generate random e-mail addresses is as simple as it comes.
-You already complain on an average of three (3) spam mails a day?
-Any proposed solution to the problem is not always effective either;
Here are some random ideas you may can try:
-Use "Big Brother's" own tools and use something like a web based account for anything not "personal".
-Block anything you do not want to see in your mailbox,online.
-It may not surprise you when I say that that mailbox catches most of the junk.The advantage of an internet based mailbox is that it will not hit your hard disk unless you let it.
-In my personal mailbox I never had any spam so far.I do hold my breath.
-I use a decent router,any software telling me (as spamware) that my IP address is exposed is telling me my provider has his IP exposed in reality.
-Since I can't tell my ISP where to hit it off and they seem to be secure behind their firewalls,so am I... for the moment.
-I'm not overly paranoid on exposure on the internet,I do have an understanding of what TCPIP is,what it can and can not do.
-No,there is no such thing as security much the same way as there is no such thing as insurance against insecurity either.
-What I also do is monitor any suspicious activity from the installed software firewall,some out there is actually really good.
-With firewall software it is as whith backup software,if you do not use it in the right way there is no point in having it.
No need to panic?
SPAM
I regularily use 6 different emails.
I was starting to get huge amounts of SPAM so i just in the last couple days moved my oldest email address over to the new mail.ap that ships with Apple's OS 10.2 Jaguar which has built-in SPAM detection. As i suspected 99% of the SPAM was coming in on that account and it has taken a huge relief off of my use of my regular email browser (Eudora).
So, even thou the other emails are all posted out in web-space they have yet to attract the SPAMmers. And i can recommend the new mail.app from Apple if you have big problems with SPAM (it does require a Mac running Jaguar thou -- but i have noted that the Mac using population here is at a higher density than in the general population -- goes along with the recent study that concluded that Mac users, on average, are smarter than PC users* -- this conclusion based on completion of university).
* this is not meant to be a bashing of the PC users here but to imply that the general level of intelligence of those posting here is higher than the general population so we should expect a higher density of mac users (which we have).
dave
I regularily use 6 different emails.
I was starting to get huge amounts of SPAM so i just in the last couple days moved my oldest email address over to the new mail.ap that ships with Apple's OS 10.2 Jaguar which has built-in SPAM detection. As i suspected 99% of the SPAM was coming in on that account and it has taken a huge relief off of my use of my regular email browser (Eudora).
So, even thou the other emails are all posted out in web-space they have yet to attract the SPAMmers. And i can recommend the new mail.app from Apple if you have big problems with SPAM (it does require a Mac running Jaguar thou -- but i have noted that the Mac using population here is at a higher density than in the general population -- goes along with the recent study that concluded that Mac users, on average, are smarter than PC users* -- this conclusion based on completion of university).
* this is not meant to be a bashing of the PC users here but to imply that the general level of intelligence of those posting here is higher than the general population so we should expect a higher density of mac users (which we have).
dave
Re: MAC
DOS may have some vague resemblance to UNIX, but it is not even close. Mac OS X is UNIX (freeBSD 4.4 sitting on a Mach kernal).
Over here a Mac is cheaper than a comparable PC, Apple just doesn't build a Mac that is comparable to the real cheap PCs. When you add in the benefits of lower maintanence, typically greater productivity, and the fact that they are useful for twice as long as a PC they end up being way cheaper than any PC which makes them WAY better value -- the smart purchase.
This assumes that the software you need is available on the Mac -- since like a hifi system where the music is more important than the player, the software is the tool and the computer is the player.
dave
fdegrove said:You don't really want to start THAT discussion,do you?
I for one respect Mac OS as it is UNIX based,as was DOS,as is anything on Windozs,which in turn is Dos-based,err Unix??
Just can't afford a Mac,
DOS may have some vague resemblance to UNIX, but it is not even close. Mac OS X is UNIX (freeBSD 4.4 sitting on a Mach kernal).
Over here a Mac is cheaper than a comparable PC, Apple just doesn't build a Mac that is comparable to the real cheap PCs. When you add in the benefits of lower maintanence, typically greater productivity, and the fact that they are useful for twice as long as a PC they end up being way cheaper than any PC which makes them WAY better value -- the smart purchase.
This assumes that the software you need is available on the Mac -- since like a hifi system where the music is more important than the player, the software is the tool and the computer is the player.
dave
additional things you can do
Never respond when they ask if you want to be removed from a list - they know they have a live one there
Never fill in a profile.
In your browser, etc. and microsoft e-mail fill in personal user as default settings - It's a good idea to use a non-MS e-mail program anyhow - avoid most e-mail viruses
rarely post your e-mail on a forum and if you do don't put the @ symbol
Set your e-mail program to block xxx, and common spam messages.
Plan on changing your e-mail address every couple of years
Ken L
Never respond when they ask if you want to be removed from a list - they know they have a live one there
Never fill in a profile.
In your browser, etc. and microsoft e-mail fill in personal user as default settings - It's a good idea to use a non-MS e-mail program anyhow - avoid most e-mail viruses
rarely post your e-mail on a forum and if you do don't put the @ symbol
Set your e-mail program to block xxx, and common spam messages.
Plan on changing your e-mail address every couple of years
Ken L
MAC
Hi David,
The only part that surprises me is that these Mac's are actually cheaper to buy in OZ.
You people do have high import taxes,no?
Other then that I do not whish to argue on this topic.
DOS,is however IMHO a big UNIX rip-off,nicely covered up.
Were we however to start a spin-off forum on this I can garantee a lot of traffic.
Endless....
Hi David,
The only part that surprises me is that these Mac's are actually cheaper to buy in OZ.
You people do have high import taxes,no?
Other then that I do not whish to argue on this topic.
DOS,is however IMHO a big UNIX rip-off,nicely covered up.
Were we however to start a spin-off forum on this I can garantee a lot of traffic.
Endless....
SPAM
Hello Ken,
Surely you realise that "avoiding" MS product is not considered a viable alternative in the major corporations.
I must say however that I haven't had a single virus on my machines here for years.(Which is nothing to do with spam but just as annoying)
I remember in the late eighties,early nineties that viri were just as potent and a real PITA.
You're very correct in that:
-Never respond to sollicited e-mail luring you to reveal your e-mail address (even though you're going to miss out on a lot of kinky stuff)
-I also took on the habit of deleting suspicious mail before even opening it.Some mail conceals a "quiet" responder to the servers,this procedure seems to make it think there wasn't any response.
-Your other suggestions however may be a solution to the individual but not of much use to any corp.(Which is irrelevant, perhaps.)
-I do not want to post a new e-mail address every x-months to my buddies though.
Seems computors and audio do have something in common?
Cheers,
Hello Ken,
Surely you realise that "avoiding" MS product is not considered a viable alternative in the major corporations.
I must say however that I haven't had a single virus on my machines here for years.(Which is nothing to do with spam but just as annoying)
I remember in the late eighties,early nineties that viri were just as potent and a real PITA.
You're very correct in that:
-Never respond to sollicited e-mail luring you to reveal your e-mail address (even though you're going to miss out on a lot of kinky stuff)
-I also took on the habit of deleting suspicious mail before even opening it.Some mail conceals a "quiet" responder to the servers,this procedure seems to make it think there wasn't any response.
-Your other suggestions however may be a solution to the individual but not of much use to any corp.(Which is irrelevant, perhaps.)
-I do not want to post a new e-mail address every x-months to my buddies though.
Seems computors and audio do have something in common?
Cheers,
Re: Re: MAC
In Sweden: Dell P4 2 GHz, DVD-RW, Firewire, USB, Modem, Ehternet + monitor = 17000 SEK (1 USD = 9.40 SEK)
Have many PCI-slots free? None!
Mac for 17000 SEK, same features, PLUS 3 free slots, minus monitor.
If I want FW, Modem, USB, Ethernet PLUS someting more what does this cost?
Mac isn't so expensive as some people think.
BTW: Does anybody know if there is a PCB CAD program for Mac which is supported? Forget McCad, Douglas and those. I use RUN Electronic Design System from Germany with a price tag of 10000 USD but the germans have closed down.
planet10 said:
In Sweden: Dell P4 2 GHz, DVD-RW, Firewire, USB, Modem, Ehternet + monitor = 17000 SEK (1 USD = 9.40 SEK)
Have many PCI-slots free? None!
Mac for 17000 SEK, same features, PLUS 3 free slots, minus monitor.
If I want FW, Modem, USB, Ethernet PLUS someting more what does this cost?
Mac isn't so expensive as some people think.
BTW: Does anybody know if there is a PCB CAD program for Mac which is supported? Forget McCad, Douglas and those. I use RUN Electronic Design System from Germany with a price tag of 10000 USD but the germans have closed down.
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