Do you recall which titles? I have the set and would be interested to see if my setup could accomplish this.... 😀
Just come back from an interesting listening session, the chap with the DEQX setup again. He had fired up his Linn TT, and it was very much a curate's egg - started to come good at times and then sank back into muddiness - everything needed a major refurbish and tune-up, so couldn't expect too much.
But the interest for me was how well the bass would perform, on CD. I had brought my Denon test disk, and ran some full frequency range sweeps - bass was nice and clean, twin sealed, massively heavy subwoofers, measured to start to drop off at 40Hz. Some slightly audible misbehaviour in the upper midrange, that's all that seeemed not right. Anyway, had brought some CDs to give the bass a bit of a free rein, the famous Widor organ piece, and it played as expected, no surprises; then a ZZ Top album with stacks of synthesized bass - for both the bottom end was as per normal, but the clarity higher up was not good.
Fortunately the system was slowly gathering steam, and nicely peaked on a privately recorded, local R&B band CD. No stupid compression and manipulation of the tracks, the crack of the sticks on the drums were as good as I have ever heard - think absolutely first class PA sound. The raw cost of the drivers being used was over $3,000 and the system was working well enough that the worth of that quality of drivers was very obvious - this was an example of where high quality bass does make a significant difference.
Before this gets pull down i will respond, i have lived in and experienced both ,the worst person you want running any country is some poor underpriviledge fart doing so in the name of the( they never do just pawns) poor. Yes rich get involved with an agenda , but they are successful for a reason and after tasting both sides its the best bet when flipping that evil coin .
Now military taking over because of constitutional violations , now there's a thought ..🙂
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You apparently never saw the graph posted by Pavel , your cat gets below 50hz ..🙂
You have a TT ...? 🙂
Nope , thats when she started selling CD's and thought vinyl was dead ...🙂
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I do happen to have both digital and vinyl reproductions of mercury's best , you should experience both , interesting observations to say the least ..
Now expound young man....
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Ohh ....!
I do happen to have both digital and vinyl reproductions of mercury's best , you should experience both , interesting observations to say the least ..
Now expound young man....
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You apparently never saw the graph posted by Pavel , your cat gets below 50hz ..🙂
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Wayne, I USED to have tomcat, but after 17 years with us, he passed away last year.
And I mentioned 30 Hz only because the smallest room dimension will be the limiting factor of that. Not all of us have a football field sized living room.
And I'm not as nearly far gone as you are. 😀😀😀
What could possibly lead such a talented woman to reach such a conclusion, other than she knew the CDs blew the vinyl out of the (groove washing) water?
I can predict with a fair degree of confidence that the vinyl sounds more enjoyable when the digital's done through something from dCS.......😱
Expound on PSU caps ? I'll leave that to a guy who's a bit yeunger than me....
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You still knocking dCs without offering data and an alternative , careful now , your starting to sound like the great one.
Regarding Mercury , mercury digital sounds more visceral and dynamic ( mostly due to less groove noise , my setup) than my copies of Mercury analog (acquired used over the decades) but you miss the problem most have with digital , it does not pull you into the music , analog with all of its flaws allows one to enjoy the musical performance with the soul of the performers and recorded performance intact, its not sterile and hard like digital , its flaws are natural , it makes those experiencing it want to keep listening...
Even full digital lovers experience it, they pick , pick and then ask you to keep playing analog ..... 🙂
Regarding Mercury , mercury digital sounds more visceral and dynamic ( mostly due to less groove noise , my setup) than my copies of Mercury analog (acquired used over the decades) but you miss the problem most have with digital , it does not pull you into the music , analog with all of its flaws allows one to enjoy the musical performance with the soul of the performers and recorded performance intact, its not sterile and hard like digital , its flaws are natural , it makes those experiencing it want to keep listening...
Even full digital lovers experience it, they pick , pick and then ask you to keep playing analog ..... 🙂
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I wanted to hear your opinion on Cap bank , you cant ask to bat then play No's all day ....
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I notice no lack of being drawn into the music with my digital. No sterility, no hardness. Does that hint at anything about your digital? Of course they ask for more analog when the alternative's dCS, I would too as a card carrying digital lover.
Chapter and verse (once again) for where I asked to bat? 😕 Not particularly interested in typing up opinons, if you ask for observations though, happy to oblige.
Chapter and verse (once again) for where I asked to bat? 😕 Not particularly interested in typing up opinons, if you ask for observations though, happy to oblige.
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I dont have dCS digital now , so you can turn off the woody... 🙂
my comments are about digital anything and you are not in a position to comment , your system is not capable of or setup to properly evaluate both , your condemnation is totally based from ignorance Brax...
Prejudicial reporting ...?
Again i ask for your digital alternative to or at the very least show something technically flawed with dCS , i do acknowledge their sterility of sound on the older units , less so with current stuff
my comments are about digital anything and you are not in a position to comment , your system is not capable of or setup to properly evaluate both , your condemnation is totally based from ignorance Brax...
Prejudicial reporting ...?
Again i ask for your digital alternative to or at the very least show something technically flawed with dCS , i do acknowledge their sterility of sound on the older units , less so with current stuff
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Chapter and verse for the alleged condemnation?
Incidentally you're quite correct, my system isn't set up to compare formats.
Curious - what did you replace the dCS with? My blog has had a dCS measurement on it for a few months now which looks to me to show a flaw in the dynamic range.
Incidentally you're quite correct, my system isn't set up to compare formats.
Curious - what did you replace the dCS with? My blog has had a dCS measurement on it for a few months now which looks to me to show a flaw in the dynamic range.
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I never did replace the dCS ,over the decades i went from stax quattro to wadia products, dCS, then decided to get into pc storage digital for hi-def downloads and stepped away from CD , that did not happen as I'm still titty bating on which way to go and really observing what others in my circle are using in their search , so far I'm still on the fence. 5 or so years ago i bought a rega (for2k) as temp hold over until i made my decision , it is what I'm currently using except for those listening sessions where others bring their latest or greatest over...
I have not yet moved on because at the rate i see others changing their Dacs , pc and software , I'm still on the fence, its still a moving target, so technically i have not replaced my digital with anything significant ...
I have not yet moved on because at the rate i see others changing their Dacs , pc and software , I'm still on the fence, its still a moving target, so technically i have not replaced my digital with anything significant ...
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@abraxalito & wayne
Before you two go get the Guns of Navarone out, I think you should consider some purely practical aspects.
In the time of vinyl, the quality of the original recording, the source, was in many cases very questionable. For example, The Animals' "Greatest Hits" LP compares 100% to its digital version in all respects, I have both. However, on an absolute scale, the quality of the source leaves much to be desired. Hotel rooms, portable tape decks, the lot.
It would be most interesting to be able to compare Decca Phase 4 Stereo LP sound, in my view THE best sound ever on LPs (notwitstanding their sometimes questionable selection of artists) with a version on CD, if there was one, and despite much search, I haven't come across it, or I'd have it.
When comparing mediums such as vinyl LP and Cd, like it or not, you are also comparing recording practices. In the old days, the engineers and producers did not have all the gizmos they have today, and quality recording was thought of as art in itself. Today, art is out of the picture, it's all jusr hurry and get it out, we're losing money.
Comparing my LP and CD versions of Waldo de los Rios, recordings from 1978-1982, I would say the CD version is better. The Spanish could do a good recording, but appearently their LP manufacturing was below par, whereas their CD manufacturing seems to as good as anybody's.
Whether we like it or not, this is also a factor in our evaluations. My current CD player, a modest NAD C 565 BEE, sometimes surprises me with its sound quality from CDs I thought I knew, but now find them better sounding than before. In my view, the art of CD player has progressed a rather long way, whereas the TT is not really much different to what it was 25 years ago.
With that in mind, you need to also consider your RIAA eq amp. It is to the TT what the DAC is to the CD player, and there are many kinds out there, from outstanding to plain junk. To add insult to injury, an otherwise good integrated amp or preamp, while being generally quite satisfactory, may have a just so-so RIAA eq stage. Just as an example, my own Philips AH280 preamp, all discrete, has a very good phono RIAA stage, but is then severely let down by its line stage - incidentally, with almost the same outlay and topology as the phono stage. No guarantees.
The point is, argue all you want, but beware of generalizing, that is one hell of a slippery-slope. Few produce truly well balanced, all around designs, and I am lucky to own such a unit, in form of Luxman's C-03 preamp; it's not the best ever made, but it is rarely well balanced all around.
Before you two go get the Guns of Navarone out, I think you should consider some purely practical aspects.
In the time of vinyl, the quality of the original recording, the source, was in many cases very questionable. For example, The Animals' "Greatest Hits" LP compares 100% to its digital version in all respects, I have both. However, on an absolute scale, the quality of the source leaves much to be desired. Hotel rooms, portable tape decks, the lot.
It would be most interesting to be able to compare Decca Phase 4 Stereo LP sound, in my view THE best sound ever on LPs (notwitstanding their sometimes questionable selection of artists) with a version on CD, if there was one, and despite much search, I haven't come across it, or I'd have it.
When comparing mediums such as vinyl LP and Cd, like it or not, you are also comparing recording practices. In the old days, the engineers and producers did not have all the gizmos they have today, and quality recording was thought of as art in itself. Today, art is out of the picture, it's all jusr hurry and get it out, we're losing money.
Comparing my LP and CD versions of Waldo de los Rios, recordings from 1978-1982, I would say the CD version is better. The Spanish could do a good recording, but appearently their LP manufacturing was below par, whereas their CD manufacturing seems to as good as anybody's.
Whether we like it or not, this is also a factor in our evaluations. My current CD player, a modest NAD C 565 BEE, sometimes surprises me with its sound quality from CDs I thought I knew, but now find them better sounding than before. In my view, the art of CD player has progressed a rather long way, whereas the TT is not really much different to what it was 25 years ago.
With that in mind, you need to also consider your RIAA eq amp. It is to the TT what the DAC is to the CD player, and there are many kinds out there, from outstanding to plain junk. To add insult to injury, an otherwise good integrated amp or preamp, while being generally quite satisfactory, may have a just so-so RIAA eq stage. Just as an example, my own Philips AH280 preamp, all discrete, has a very good phono RIAA stage, but is then severely let down by its line stage - incidentally, with almost the same outlay and topology as the phono stage. No guarantees.
The point is, argue all you want, but beware of generalizing, that is one hell of a slippery-slope. Few produce truly well balanced, all around designs, and I am lucky to own such a unit, in form of Luxman's C-03 preamp; it's not the best ever made, but it is rarely well balanced all around.
And that's where you'll stay for good, waiting for the "ultimate solution". Until your behind gets sore from the narrow fence, or until you get your act together.
I would have thought that with your experience and common sense, you would have figured out by now that there is no such thing as the "ultimate", even as a "final" solution. Never was, never will be, the industry has to sell you something to survive, there will always be something new, "new", repackaged old, but always "essential".
I could be wrong, but I am not interested in these new fashoned pie in the sky servers, peddling MP3 and such like. With current memory prices, it's so easy to use totally uncompressed formats even in my car. Besides, having it all somewhere always leaves me at the mercy of somebody, and I hate that. I like to pay and own my own CDs, and be able to play them whenever and wherever I choose to do so, in any order I am in the mood for.
And there's the pride and pleasure of owning it.
Not waiting for the ultimate , waiting for it to beat CD PLAYER Sound, it hasnt , so i and i waiting ..As to LP, i have tons of the phase 4 stuff, they pale when compared to direct to disc stuff and of course others.....
... which are technologies which came about 10 years later after Phase 4.
At the risk of being repetitious, my humble NAD C565 BEE does NOT sound like your typical, everyday CD player, which is why I am so fascinated with it, and even more so when you take into account its lowish price.
Might I also suggest that you try out some of the many "Real Time" DACs now avauilable from China, copies of what I had years before them. No oversampling, no digital brick wall filters, and no digital sound. For peanut money.
These guys are trying everything , cheap , mega every month something new , even stuff from Thorsten. We are told what we are listening to after decisions are given ....
Its called abcdefg blind testing ...🙂
Its called abcdefg blind testing ...🙂
Sorry it was too long ago, and in this case he only put on a quiet section to hear the effect and I think it was his best example. I think the carefully set up Goldmund Reference TT had a lot to do with it.
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