I just got a pair of sonic impact amps, and for some reason, I'm having oscillation problems at higher volume levels. Is this the over-current protection kicking in and then cutting out? It happens on both of my amps, of which, one is modded for the "stealth" input and the larger tank capacitor, and one has only the larger tank capacitor. It only happens when I get to a certain volume level, then it does the weird pulsey thing, and I freak out and turn it back down. I have to turn it down quite a bit for it to go away. So there's some hysteresis in the cause.
I have a couple ideas as to what the problem is, one of which would be the protection circuitry, and the other is the power supply. The power supply I'm using right now is a 4A 12V SMPS hijacked from my LCD panel. Any ideas? Thanks.
I have a couple ideas as to what the problem is, one of which would be the protection circuitry, and the other is the power supply. The power supply I'm using right now is a 4A 12V SMPS hijacked from my LCD panel. Any ideas? Thanks.
If the amp is actually cutting off and back on, it's overheating. If it's just pulsing, I don't know. There is a lot of over current and over temp protection.
Anyone else have this problem?
Anyone else have this problem?
Do you have a little wall wart or regulated supply you can test the amps out with? Me thinks you might be seeing some sort of stability issue with the SMPS since you get the same problem with both amps and no one else has ever reported such an issue.
It wasn't too hot to touch. Might be overheating though. It might be the power supply. It's an smps, but I have no idea about the specs. It's a strange sound. Might be cutting in and out, or a pulsating. Because it's so slow, I think it's probably the power supply. I'll see what happens when I hook up my real supply. If I have problems like this again, I'll try putting a resistor in series on the line. Anybody ever heard of this before?
Sadly, I don't have another 12V supply to try. I think maybe the control circuit for the SMPS is unstable into the amp. Does this sound like a possibility? Hopefully it won't be a problem with my SMPS that I'm going to use in the final setup. I've got a lot of capacitance on it, so the time constant should be pretty slow. But capacitors are reactive, so that might cause more instability. I'll see.
Just get a 12V battery, or 2x6V, or even one of those battery holders at Rat Shack.
10 AA or C or D in series will give you the 12V you need to check it with.
Thinking more about it, - could be the power supply that is cycling in and out of over-current protection. Most SMPS have over current protection. Could be that.
10 AA or C or D in series will give you the 12V you need to check it with.
Thinking more about it, - could be the power supply that is cycling in and out of over-current protection. Most SMPS have over current protection. Could be that.
I should just take it to my car... open up the hood...
sacrifice the transportation for debugging.
sacrifice the transportation for debugging.
philibuster said:I should just take it to my car... open up the hood...
Ha! Funny!
BTDT. But it was a blown PSU in a theater ligthing board. Had to do it every night for a week. "Lighting by Volvo".
I had similar problems, less extreme, which resulted in bad timing. I found out that the variable voltage analog power supply was the cause. Probably the SI has a circuit that prevents weak supplies from overpower and the two voltage regulations caused the oscillation.
I guess the power supply and the t-amp don't play nice. It's just a regular SMPS that I hijacked, so it may not be the best quality.
Yeah, i'll use the fuse. Hopefully I won't turn it into a blob of plastic and solder balls.
Yeah, i'll use the fuse. Hopefully I won't turn it into a blob of plastic and solder balls.
I think I found something that may be of interest. Can someone put a 5Hz or lower signal into their T-Amp to clipping? I think it might be tripping the DC protection circuit. How long does it take for the t-amp to cut out due to DC?
AFAIK there is no DC protection circuit, as many here have found out the hard way.
There is overcurrent and overheating protection, tho. A massive DC offest would cause either of those faults, given enough time.
A very large subsonic signal running at max power could also cause it, just like anyother max power signal. But with the subsonics, you might not know its there.
There is overcurrent and overheating protection, tho. A massive DC offest would cause either of those faults, given enough time.
A very large subsonic signal running at max power could also cause it, just like anyother max power signal. But with the subsonics, you might not know its there.
I was playing my vinyl, and the record was a little warped. I've looked at the waveforms before, and I have this large resonance of the arm at a very low frequency. Probably has something to do with it.
So... no dc protection... maybe what I was hearing was some ridiculous clipping when the waveform went high and low due to the slow resonance of the arm/cantilever.
So... no dc protection... maybe what I was hearing was some ridiculous clipping when the waveform went high and low due to the slow resonance of the arm/cantilever.
philibuster said:I was playing my vinyl, and the record was a little warped.
Ah Ha!! That could well be it! You know that the RIAA curve puts a mean boost on the bass.
I remeber building my 1st tube RIAA preamp. Sounded fanastic, but had no bass stop. I noticed my drivers riding waaay in and out with the tone arm movements.
Maybe that's what's been going on with your amp.
Maybe you even encounter acoustic feedback. This would explain the "hysteresis" that you experienced.
Regards
Charles
Regards
Charles
I'm pretty sure it's the subsonics that are making my amp cut in and out like that. CDs don't make it do that. Maybe I need to make an active high pass filter for the phono input... Sucks that it may come to that.
just use a smaller value input coupling cap to raise the frequency of the highpass filter caused by the coupling cap and the input resistor.
I don't think the rolloff is fast enough with a 1st order filter. It happens with the stock SI too. 2nd order may work, but 3rd order probably would work best. I don't know, since I haven't tried it.
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