I wish to make one car subwofer based on 12v supply. Hence i need to make single supply sub filter. Anybody have tried & tested circuit? Or any other guideline or idea welcome.
Mahendra Palesha
Mahendra Palesha
Car amplifiers have a DC / DC converter which generates symmetrical positive and negative rail voltages for the amplifier and symmetrical positive and negative rail voltages for the lower level op-amps in the signal path. You're not trying to build a single supply sub filter but a sub filter black box which has a 12V input. Inside this box you will need a DC/DC converter. This could be as simple as a switched capacitor filter circuit which can take 12V and give you 12V and -12V. This is only possible here because you are not going to need more than a few milliamps of current. The filter itself can be a Linkwitz-Riley 24dB/ octave filter. It is quite commonly found on the web. sound.au.com has some examples listed there. Try that first.
BeanZ
BeanZ
An DC to DC converter is a swithing power supply, so it is hard to design. Switching power supplies has a higher ripple than linear power supplies. Op-amps can handle 12 volts in single supply mode, but the ground level rises half the power supply or 6 volts. palesha, you could use two linear voltage regulators for a voltage of +/-9 volts.
palesha:
Don't listen to BeanZ unless you want to waste your time. There are plenty of circuits and chips available that will do exactly what you want. No need for a DC to DC converter. Try a web search. I don't have anything handy at the moment but, after all, this is DIY.
Don't listen to BeanZ unless you want to waste your time. There are plenty of circuits and chips available that will do exactly what you want. No need for a DC to DC converter. Try a web search. I don't have anything handy at the moment but, after all, this is DIY.
Or, you could buy a Soundstream SVX2 electronic crossover and use just the lowpass output - it's 24db/o with F3 adjustable from 50Hz to 250Hz. It's a car unit so it runs off of 12v. I have an extra one for sale for $30 if you are willing to pay for the postage.
BeanZ, gave little bit of information such as filter order and web site address.
palesha:
I forgot to post ePanorama.net
Bill Fitzpatrick:
palesha:
I forgot to post ePanorama.net
Bill Fitzpatrick:
No offense, but this sounds like a **** who said this. Next time try skipping, "Don't listen to ______ unless you want to waste your time." Nobody likes to read those sentences.😉
Electro is right that a true DC/DC converter with a high frequency transformer and assciated magnetics and feedback loops is difficult to design but that is not necessary in your case. The converters I refered to were some of the switched capacitor types from LinearTech and Maxim. They use charge pumps to generate a negative voltage from a positive one. So you will end up with a positive and negative voltages. These ARE a DC-DC converter because you are turning a DC voltage into a different one . No magnetic components are needed though, just a few external components to an IC and it is easy. This will give you the benefit of keeping your true car ground reference and the benefit of using good dual rail op-amps for the filter. But for $30 the Soundstream sounds like a true deal. Look up the types of power parts that I was referring to, they are called "Charge Pump Inverters" or "Charge Pump Regulators" for future reference
I am curious and I would like to see how you to take a 12V supply and get +/- 9V out with linear regulators...? It's not going to happen. If you use single supply op-amps, the signal will be clipped on the negative sides because the input signal swings lower that your ground.
I am curious and I would like to see how you to take a 12V supply and get +/- 9V out with linear regulators...? It's not going to happen. If you use single supply op-amps, the signal will be clipped on the negative sides because the input signal swings lower that your ground.
I'm very surprised!!!
Palesha, do this:
- open your poweramp and find the + and - rail.
- depending on the power, you will find voltages from 12 to >60V.
- get 2 wires (one for each rail), and use the cheap 7812 and 7912 to stabilise the voltage.
- Here you have an 12-0-12 volt supply.
Now use a simple low pass filter as Bill Fitzpatrick said.
A NE5534 with 2 caps and 2 resistances will make an excellent subwoofer filter circuit.
This did help?
Regards
Pedro Martins 😎
Palesha, do this:
- open your poweramp and find the + and - rail.
- depending on the power, you will find voltages from 12 to >60V.
- get 2 wires (one for each rail), and use the cheap 7812 and 7912 to stabilise the voltage.
- Here you have an 12-0-12 volt supply.
Now use a simple low pass filter as Bill Fitzpatrick said.
A NE5534 with 2 caps and 2 resistances will make an excellent subwoofer filter circuit.
This did help?
Regards
Pedro Martins 😎
That is one way to do it but there is one major issue here. If the voltage input rails are going to be 20V-60V then the linear regulators are going to dissipate a huge amount of heat. The NE5534 will draw a comparatively large amount of current for an op-amp, something like 150mA or so. If the voltage rail input is 30V then: You will be dissipating 2.7W in each of the linear regulators. A good size heatsink is required. Not huge but a good size. It will get warm. However, it is probably undesirable for Palesha to open the amplifier and dig into the innards. It can be done but go for it if you are up for it. It could be fun!!!
BeanZ
BeanZ
Start with a 12v regulator like the 7812 and filter it well. Then bias the non-inverting inputs of a TL072 to half the 12v with a simple 2 resistor voltage divider. Use a capacitor on the input and output to block the DC. The TL072 will make a nice 4th order filter for your sub amp.
Well, you need a 4 section pot for a single channel 4th order SallenKey filter. But why do you need to vary F3? Just pick the correct F3 in the first place and use fixed resistors.
As a side note, we were faced with the problem of an 8 section pot to change F3 for 2 channels simultaneously. The distributors for Bournes won't sell the parts for ModPots separately but they will put one together for you if you want to pay almost $80. In other words, they have you by the balls. I was so irate I emailed them back and asked why they wanted to screw me. No reply, of course.
We solved the problem by building our own 8 section pots for a cost of less than $2.
As a side note, we were faced with the problem of an 8 section pot to change F3 for 2 channels simultaneously. The distributors for Bournes won't sell the parts for ModPots separately but they will put one together for you if you want to pay almost $80. In other words, they have you by the balls. I was so irate I emailed them back and asked why they wanted to screw me. No reply, of course.
We solved the problem by building our own 8 section pots for a cost of less than $2.
Go to http://sound.westhost.com/project43.htm for a virtual earth circuit. For an alternative, there are chips that does virtual earth internally to regulate negative volts. Then search very hard at ePanorama.net on how to make an adjustable filter. A fourth order filter should not need four pots to be adjusted if designed properly. It should only need one pot.
epanorama.net is so full of pop-ups, advertising and other bull **** that I'm surprised that you are lame enough to recommend it. Do you work for them?
Multi-section filters that can be adjusted with a single pot are voltage controlled. They pretty much S.U.C.K. for anyone who is looking for some quality.
Multi-section filters that can be adjusted with a single pot are voltage controlled. They pretty much S.U.C.K. for anyone who is looking for some quality.
Actually it's rated 10 mA max. Typically probably half that.BeanZ said:
But I do like Beanz' idea the best. The DC converters he refers to are easy to use. At this level of power they are the best solution.
I have got one IC BA 15218 which is single & dual supply and also low noise. TI claims that their TLC O7x series is also very much suitable for single supply operation. Comments about the above two IC's is welcome. Herewith attached specs. of BA 15218 for reference.
Mahendra Palesha
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