PRR - that's interesting. We live in France and language can be a big problem. I get really pissed about the EU, once I was big fan but in reality it's an organisation for big business. They cover this with b/s but if it was created to bring Europe together then the very first thing they would have done is to mandate a single language to bring the continent together - Esperanto would not have had the Latin based language countries complaining.
My wife has a big health problem that is DNA/ADN based and her consultant complains about language, when I tell him that interpreters will help he doesn't respond. I've lived and worked in two European countries and lived in two others. The Dutch and the Germans can slow down their speech but many French and Spanish even if you put a gun to their heads can't and there are many in both those countries who, if you don't speak exactly correctly simply 'don't understand' which I find amazing. This is not problem with the Dutch and Germans, indeed I try to keep my Dutch alive by only speaking Dutch to Dutch people who I meet here in France. They instantly tell me 'we know where you lived in the Netherlands - Rotterdam'. Dutch dialects can be so different within a 10K. The USA works because they all have a common language, indeed today there are two languages that unite the country - English and Spanish.
So if the audiologist and we spoke a common language I'm sure that my wife would be hearing via her aids much better. He did explain that hearing aids are made for 'face en face' contact. I'm a bit of a freak because up until about 3 years ago my dog was surprised that I could hear sounds at the top end better than him, he gradually lost his hearing in the last 18 months of his life. I still have this ability and will probably keep it until I die. City dwellers usually have terrible hearing which is not a surprise because they live their lives in awful noisy surroundings. Where I lived in the UK, Londoners would come down at the weekend - they were always shouting rather than talking. When I was at art college there was an American from Texas, his dad was in the oil business and way back then he being a geologist was experimenting with locating oil deposits from aerial photos. His son had always wanted to live somewhere that had as the northern Irishman, Daniel Boone said 'elbow room'. His father by chance had located somewhere in Arizona (not noted for oil deposits) a place with enough water underground for a couple of people to live and grow some veg. The land was dirt cheap to buy and the nearest neighbour was 11 miles away. He invited a friend from New York to come for a holiday, he simply couldn't handle the 'quiet' it freaked him out. Of course it wasn't silent, the semi desert was full of sound but not those he was used to, he felt the enormous space was literally 'crushing him' and fled back to New York.
Pano it would be interesting to do tests using an analogue system (not files) with two different groups - townies and people who live in wide open spaces who havn't damaged their hearing either by listening to grossly over amplified music or working in very noisy environments. One of my uncles was a CSM, company sergeant major in the Grenadier Guards and most of his squaddies were from the east end of London who had fought in the deserts of north Africa and across Italy. When the war ended many simply couldn't handle living back in noisy and polluted London and emigrated to wide open spaces in Canada and Australia for the silence and open spaces.
Most city people have lost for generations in some cases the ability to actually hear in detail, their senses are completely dulled. Often the ability to hear the tiniest sounds was what kept them alive - worth thinking about.
My wife has a big health problem that is DNA/ADN based and her consultant complains about language, when I tell him that interpreters will help he doesn't respond. I've lived and worked in two European countries and lived in two others. The Dutch and the Germans can slow down their speech but many French and Spanish even if you put a gun to their heads can't and there are many in both those countries who, if you don't speak exactly correctly simply 'don't understand' which I find amazing. This is not problem with the Dutch and Germans, indeed I try to keep my Dutch alive by only speaking Dutch to Dutch people who I meet here in France. They instantly tell me 'we know where you lived in the Netherlands - Rotterdam'. Dutch dialects can be so different within a 10K. The USA works because they all have a common language, indeed today there are two languages that unite the country - English and Spanish.
So if the audiologist and we spoke a common language I'm sure that my wife would be hearing via her aids much better. He did explain that hearing aids are made for 'face en face' contact. I'm a bit of a freak because up until about 3 years ago my dog was surprised that I could hear sounds at the top end better than him, he gradually lost his hearing in the last 18 months of his life. I still have this ability and will probably keep it until I die. City dwellers usually have terrible hearing which is not a surprise because they live their lives in awful noisy surroundings. Where I lived in the UK, Londoners would come down at the weekend - they were always shouting rather than talking. When I was at art college there was an American from Texas, his dad was in the oil business and way back then he being a geologist was experimenting with locating oil deposits from aerial photos. His son had always wanted to live somewhere that had as the northern Irishman, Daniel Boone said 'elbow room'. His father by chance had located somewhere in Arizona (not noted for oil deposits) a place with enough water underground for a couple of people to live and grow some veg. The land was dirt cheap to buy and the nearest neighbour was 11 miles away. He invited a friend from New York to come for a holiday, he simply couldn't handle the 'quiet' it freaked him out. Of course it wasn't silent, the semi desert was full of sound but not those he was used to, he felt the enormous space was literally 'crushing him' and fled back to New York.
Pano it would be interesting to do tests using an analogue system (not files) with two different groups - townies and people who live in wide open spaces who havn't damaged their hearing either by listening to grossly over amplified music or working in very noisy environments. One of my uncles was a CSM, company sergeant major in the Grenadier Guards and most of his squaddies were from the east end of London who had fought in the deserts of north Africa and across Italy. When the war ended many simply couldn't handle living back in noisy and polluted London and emigrated to wide open spaces in Canada and Australia for the silence and open spaces.
Most city people have lost for generations in some cases the ability to actually hear in detail, their senses are completely dulled. Often the ability to hear the tiniest sounds was what kept them alive - worth thinking about.
I literally just created an account here to say that I will not be creating an account on this website because everyone’s behavior in response to this question is rude, demeaning and unnecessary. There are people like me that are trying to find real answers before we spend $$$ on audio equipment and don’t have time to scroll through 15 pages of insults only to not get any answer at all.
Why? Why be so hateful? Why treat another human with such sustain for just asking a simple question? We all just want to listen to quality music. That’s it man. Music is transcendent and bring us closer to our spirit. It seems many here have lost theirs.
I love DIY and I love audio. It’s a shame the culture on this site is so toxic that I won’t use it.
Reply as you wish, but I will be long gone as I am not concerned with the rantings of toxic people constantly berating a genuinely polite person asking a genuine question.
J
Why? Why be so hateful? Why treat another human with such sustain for just asking a simple question? We all just want to listen to quality music. That’s it man. Music is transcendent and bring us closer to our spirit. It seems many here have lost theirs.
I love DIY and I love audio. It’s a shame the culture on this site is so toxic that I won’t use it.
Reply as you wish, but I will be long gone as I am not concerned with the rantings of toxic people constantly berating a genuinely polite person asking a genuine question.
J
I don't know why you wasted your time...
The wire question occurs every few months, and the answer is that any adequately rated wire works, the noise or distortion comes from the ends or terminations for the most part.
But every person here who posts such a question is either a victim of snake oil sellers, or has a totally new theory, sometimes from not knowing the subject at all.
If we guide him, nothing wrong.
But it gets tiring if some young kid who does not know how to solder tries to teach somebody with 30+ years of experience what to do.
This is an open forum, and all sorts of people are members...and some are really trying to help.
If we tell a small child not to be stupid, is it a wrong thing to do?
There is a nuclear physicist here who has worked on superconducting magnets, and he has answered that the conductivity will not be changed much by using single crystal conductors. It was not insulting...
I feel you are a friend or alternate avatar of the original poster, and why have you posted so late in what is essentially a closed thread?
The wire question occurs every few months, and the answer is that any adequately rated wire works, the noise or distortion comes from the ends or terminations for the most part.
But every person here who posts such a question is either a victim of snake oil sellers, or has a totally new theory, sometimes from not knowing the subject at all.
If we guide him, nothing wrong.
But it gets tiring if some young kid who does not know how to solder tries to teach somebody with 30+ years of experience what to do.
This is an open forum, and all sorts of people are members...and some are really trying to help.
If we tell a small child not to be stupid, is it a wrong thing to do?
There is a nuclear physicist here who has worked on superconducting magnets, and he has answered that the conductivity will not be changed much by using single crystal conductors. It was not insulting...
I feel you are a friend or alternate avatar of the original poster, and why have you posted so late in what is essentially a closed thread?
You know what's toxic? A hifi salesman or website selling "special" cables for $500 when for $25 at Home Depot you can get zip cable and a tool to strip the ends, and no one on Earth could hear the difference. If there's an actual difference, it's most likely because the $500 cable has extra capacitance/inductance that puts a perverse load on the amplifier, and the only "logical" explanation for them sounding different is "well of course, the more expensive one MUST be the better one."
But the salesman will smile, thank you for your business, and tell you "I KNOW you will enjoy this." He'll make you happy you spent the money.
So of course people get upset when they read forums like this one.
But the salesman will smile, thank you for your business, and tell you "I KNOW you will enjoy this." He'll make you happy you spent the money.
So of course people get upset when they read forums like this one.
Crystal, made...how about insulation?
Transport?
How to make sure soldering it will not change structure?
🤣
And so on...
Free advice: never argue with a deaf person, a drunk / otherwise high person, or a fool.
Waste of time.
Transport?
How to make sure soldering it will not change structure?
🤣
And so on...
Free advice: never argue with a deaf person, a drunk / otherwise high person, or a fool.
Waste of time.
Even IF the cable is made out of a single crystal, it will be connected at both ends, to amplifier or speaker.
Each of those connections would be a boundary/jump a zillion times larger than anything happening inside that cable, as long as we are talking about internal boundaries.
Worst case, these will be part of cable resistance, not a new phenomenon at all, and well accounted for for a Century or two.
Also: at speaker end, it will be connected to cabinet terminals > solder > internal wiring > solder > crossover (internal components are soldered to each other) > solder > more wiring > solder > speaker terminals > solder > tinsel wires > solder > voice coil wire
Count the GROSS, VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE, DIFFERENT METAL TO METAL BOUNDARIES!!!!!!!
And don´t get me started at what happens at the amplifier end!!!!!! 😱
Each of those connections would be a boundary/jump a zillion times larger than anything happening inside that cable, as long as we are talking about internal boundaries.
Worst case, these will be part of cable resistance, not a new phenomenon at all, and well accounted for for a Century or two.
Also: at speaker end, it will be connected to cabinet terminals > solder > internal wiring > solder > crossover (internal components are soldered to each other) > solder > more wiring > solder > speaker terminals > solder > tinsel wires > solder > voice coil wire
Count the GROSS, VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE, DIFFERENT METAL TO METAL BOUNDARIES!!!!!!!
And don´t get me started at what happens at the amplifier end!!!!!! 😱
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Of course.. nothing but the best NOS caps and tubes powering it 😉
The last time I felt with crystals where for parametric down conversion and quantum photon entanglement.. well I say I, I mean the lab folks.. I just had to ship a very precisely aligned free-space optics configuration internationally via air.. I did tell them that it's got a cat in hells chance of making to the other end aligned.. but.. no.. we know best..
One thing that bothers me -
Say you start of with a budget system, CD player, interconnect, amp, speaker cables, speakers,
Now that's say you replace mains cables, interconnect and speaker cables, this is supposed to make a difference in each case.
Then lets say you upgrade the CD player, then the amp, then the speakers ( to middle level - three more improvements.
Then you upgrade the cables again, mains, interconnect, speaker, - 3 more levels of improvement.
Then you upgrade the CD player, amp and speakers to high end, 3 more levels of improvement
then you upgrade the cables again, three more levels of improvement.
Then we upgrade to super high end, then to super high end cable.
That's before we start talking about plugs, sockets, fuses, cable risers etc.
To be honest, my hearing is not good enough to differentiate between all those different levels.
Having said all that, it's possible that if you make lots of improvements that aren't individually noticeable, as a whole they might be.
Say you start of with a budget system, CD player, interconnect, amp, speaker cables, speakers,
Now that's say you replace mains cables, interconnect and speaker cables, this is supposed to make a difference in each case.
Then lets say you upgrade the CD player, then the amp, then the speakers ( to middle level - three more improvements.
Then you upgrade the cables again, mains, interconnect, speaker, - 3 more levels of improvement.
Then you upgrade the CD player, amp and speakers to high end, 3 more levels of improvement
then you upgrade the cables again, three more levels of improvement.
Then we upgrade to super high end, then to super high end cable.
That's before we start talking about plugs, sockets, fuses, cable risers etc.
To be honest, my hearing is not good enough to differentiate between all those different levels.
Having said all that, it's possible that if you make lots of improvements that aren't individually noticeable, as a whole they might be.
I'm a member of a koi forum too, threads go off in random devotions for 4-5 pages is all too often.
In terms of the OP subject, it's relative bunkum as highlighted however there are good points about having quality metals being used but using science that is relevant for the composition of metals as a justification for products is just a game of preying on those that don't know enough.
I don't know enough about it, however logically the metals are just one part of a very long chain of materials and boundaries.
Part of the unspoken rule here seems to be to do your homework and ask. You'll naturally get people that don't know, people that think they know and those that have been bitten by the experiment contributing. However I agree being plain rude isn't particularly productive.
Don't know about single crystal wire. Do know that more is known about zip cord verses other speaker cables. There is some good technical discussion peppered around in the following thread:
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-7018857
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-7018939
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-7019379
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-6686486
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-6739967
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-6714255
Anyway, next time somebody asks about cable it might be better to give them a more informed answer than to just tell them they are stupid and you know it all.
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-7018857
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-7018939
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-7019379
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-6686486
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-6739967
https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/zip-cord-for-speaker-test.371099/post-6714255
Anyway, next time somebody asks about cable it might be better to give them a more informed answer than to just tell them they are stupid and you know it all.
Actually, there should be a sort of hot key, the new posters should read the existing threads, then post questions.
Something like the post above, which took at least a minor effort to compile.
Key will send them to a bunch of similar threads.
Something like the post above, which took at least a minor effort to compile.
Key will send them to a bunch of similar threads.
When you create a thread the forums presents close matches to the title.
Unless someone takes the time to compile a thread for visible archive then it will remain like that.
Then the regular posters will have to tell the new poster to go through the old posts, maybe a school type attendance system to check they actually did read the old posts?
I am not being very serious here....
We should simply tell them to do more research, or that the question has been answered already..
I am not being very serious here....
We should simply tell them to do more research, or that the question has been answered already..
Or more simply if you don't agree about something stay off the thread. There are far too may insults coming from the same bunch. You may well be right but so is Chromie.If you were face to face with the person you were insulting what do you think might happen? or might you keep your mouth in check in case the person you are insulting decided to give you a 'Glasgow kiss'.
I had the good fortune once to encounter face to face an i/net 'mouth' who was always abusive on the net. I realised it was him by the way he wasa talking and cornered him. Within a few minutes the creep was crying his eyes out as I did a personality dissection on him, I never threw a punch but he did get a boot up the rear as he exited the pub to a big cheer - never saw him again face to face or on the net.
So, would you use the same insulting words if you were face to face or would you bottle it?
I had the good fortune once to encounter face to face an i/net 'mouth' who was always abusive on the net. I realised it was him by the way he wasa talking and cornered him. Within a few minutes the creep was crying his eyes out as I did a personality dissection on him, I never threw a punch but he did get a boot up the rear as he exited the pub to a big cheer - never saw him again face to face or on the net.
So, would you use the same insulting words if you were face to face or would you bottle it?
Thanks for the usual red herring.
What you posted was basically amp oscillation can happen with bad cables. Wow what a break thru.
Ive read most of that thread. The whole thing is based on different usec delays at different freqs in the cables. These are supposedly bad for imaging. The delays are overstated (10us is suppose to make a difference but nobody has tested this with music.) A 10usec delay on one side shifts a small part (the effected freqs) of the image 1degree, and the theory is that you will notice that shift. Ild say grasping at straws. And Planetx is a bit of a flake who believes in silver wire etc. Wheres the ABX testing?
So were supposed to take advice on good manners from an aggressive violent (kicking some one is as bad as punching someone) person?