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I thought I was good with the ZA14, then I redesigned the Bass units, ...

ok let me start from the beginning...

Had Vifa P13's for a while, nice mids but lacked detail, after a lot of searching and talking guys on the forum, ended with Zaph's ZA14's... very good mids, however since I redesigned the Bass units (had 4 low eff TB 740's), now have dual 15 inchers. An AV15 for sub duty complemented by a JBL 2035HPL for upper bass. Combined they dwarf the ZA14's output by about 3-4db's despite padding down the 2035hpl...

So now I need a mid that's as good as (or better) than the ZA14, is very detailed; and has eff of about 92-94db/w. I am willing to move up to a 6.5" driver for this.

The mids would cover the 350Hz to the 3.5kHz range and be below $300 a pair.

(The HF's are 3 vifa XT25's as an FYI)...


I am thinking about the following 6.5's: If there are other mids I should consider, please let me know.

Eighteensound 6ND430's - I like the FR on these.
PHL's - Dont know where to begin...
B&C 6NDL44 - Slightly lower spl, but nice FR
B&C 6PEV13 - high spl , ok FR, no idea how it sounds

Thanks! :worship:
 
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K-amps said:
I thought I was good with the ZA14, then I redesigned the Bass units, ...

ok let me start from the beginning...

Had Vifa P13's for a while, nice mids but lacked detail, after a lot of searching and talking guys on the forum, ended with Zaph's ZA14's... very good mids, however since I redesigned the Bass units (had 4 low eff TB 740's), now have dual 15 inchers. An AV15 for sub duty complemented by a JBL 2035HPL for upper bass. Combined they dwarf the ZA14's output by about 3-4db's despite padding down the 2035hpl...

So now I need a mid that's as good as (or better) than the ZA14, is very detailed; and has eff of about 92-94db/w. I am willing to move up to a 6.5" driver for this.

The mids would cover the 350Hz to the 3.5kHz range and be below $300 a pair.

(The HF's are 3 vifa XT25's as an FYI)...


I am thinking about the following 6.5's: If there are other mids I should consider, please let me know.

Eighteensound 6ND430's - I like the FR on these.
PHL's - Dont know where to begin...
B&C 6NDL44 - Slightly lower spl, but nice FR
B&C 6PEV13 - high spl , ok FR, no idea how it sounds

Thanks! :worship:
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Begin here (phlaudio 2460)
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-meet/142677-fs-phl-2460-8-mid-bass-drivers.html
For Europe in euro/€: MHP (la Maison du Haut-Parleur) : concepteur français de kits d'enceintes pour la HI-FI et le Home Cinéma... :gasp::cool:
Another "crazy" mid, Eminence Alphalite 6A 6" Neo.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=290-680&ctab=2#Tabs
 
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augerpro said:
Active crossover should accomplish the matching you want. Look at Behringer CX2310.

If you don't want to do that, the ear is more sensitive to bad midrange than bad midbass, ditch the JBL and find something that matches the ZA14 better.
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Don't want to do that, the kick drums on the JBL are very satisfying.

Has no one heard the 18sound 6ND430's ? on Paper they seem to be the real deal.
 
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augerpro said:
Active crossover should accomplish the matching you want. Look at Behringer CX2310.

If you don't want to do that, the ear is more sensitive to bad midrange than bad midbass, ditch the JBL and find something that matches the ZA14 better.
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Good idea but, I already have a CX3400 , but the XLR to RCA conversion adds some hiss... Also I like the sound cleaner with out much processing, so i took it out.

in the 4 ways system, all units can goto nice and high SPL's but the ZA14 begins to audibly break up. The room is 28' long and I sit towards the rear. The Limitation is the ZA14 in this case...
 
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sreten

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Hi, B&C 6MD38-8 ? see Zaph|Audio, rgds, sreten.

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Yes, the 410s are pure mid bass and need XOs up in the 400Hz range. I didnt get to create XOs with them but I had them on a test baffle and I listened to them for a bit vs the 6MD38 and the PHL 1120.

The 410s are high sensitivity choices for sure and pretty easy to work with when I used my DCX to get a flat response out of them. I liked the sound of the PHL1120 the best though so I went with it. Never found another project for my 410s, I think a waveguide/CD 100dB sensitivity project would be something to try at some point.
 
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sreten

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K-amps said:
So did I jump the gun in getting the B&C's or are they good too?
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Hi,

I doubt it, if you cannot accurately measure yourself Zaph's data
is as good as it gets for the amateur, even if you can measure,
there is no guarantee your as accurate as Zaph, the flip side
as Zaph has repeatedly stated, is drive unit consistency.
Far better to have something that suits and good data.

rgds, sreten.

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