Hello,
Long long time ago i bought a Scheu turntable with a special platter (400mm diameter and height 100 mm)
I lost the instructions how to install the bearing. Does anybody has a copy of how to do this. No problem if it is German.
Should i put the motor unit on the same surface as the '' console '' that holds the bearing. The motor unit could be attached to the metal construction that is used to support the '' sandwich platters'' that are used to place my gear on. they are heavy and consist of several materials, different metals, wood and vinyl.
My present turntable ( Sota) has springs but the Scheu just has mass. So maybe i will use something like a metal or wooden box filled with lead shot or sand.
Any suggestions are welcome. The metal construction can easily hold my weight 86 kilogrammes.
Greetings, Eduard
Long long time ago i bought a Scheu turntable with a special platter (400mm diameter and height 100 mm)
I lost the instructions how to install the bearing. Does anybody has a copy of how to do this. No problem if it is German.
Should i put the motor unit on the same surface as the '' console '' that holds the bearing. The motor unit could be attached to the metal construction that is used to support the '' sandwich platters'' that are used to place my gear on. they are heavy and consist of several materials, different metals, wood and vinyl.
My present turntable ( Sota) has springs but the Scheu just has mass. So maybe i will use something like a metal or wooden box filled with lead shot or sand.
Any suggestions are welcome. The metal construction can easily hold my weight 86 kilogrammes.
Greetings, Eduard
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Why not contact Sheu directly? I am sure they would help you. I am not familiar with your particular unit and cannot advise.
Turntables • Scheu Analog
Turntables • Scheu Analog
Eduard,
I built a turntable from parts I bought from Scheu ~ 15 years ago and I still use it today. My plinth is a CLD stack of slate and MDF separated by silicone caulk. The Scheu bearing is clamped directly to the slate, while the plinth is supported below via cones on the MDF.
The motor is in a small metal housing which sits on a small piece of sorbothane which sits on the slate. Vibration from the motor was transmitted to the platter and then cartridge without the sorbothane. With the sorbothane it is silent.
I've attached a few pictures showing the construction and also a copy of the instructions on the bearing assembly that came from Scheu when I bought the parts. I hope this helps.
---Gary
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Hello Gary,
Thanksalot.
I will read the French articles about turntable '' supports '' again. My platter having more weight ( around 12,5 kilogrammes) will be more difficult to start resonating but the problem should still be tackled.
The motorunit i bought has some kind of elastic field.
Thanks again. Hoping for more sugusstions.
Greetings, Eduard
Thanksalot.
I will read the French articles about turntable '' supports '' again. My platter having more weight ( around 12,5 kilogrammes) will be more difficult to start resonating but the problem should still be tackled.
The motorunit i bought has some kind of elastic field.
Thanks again. Hoping for more sugusstions.
Greetings, Eduard
Good afternoon Eduard,
((i could switch to Dutch but that would be rather impracticle to other users))
Scheu: yep.....also my turntable. Also a special one (50 cm diameter; platter weighs in at more than 17 kgs). I really enjoy this table.
My motor (ex-cassette deck) is separate and sits on the same granite slate where the actual turntable rests. The motor housing rests on a small piece of sorbothane (.....i read that before....) and there is NO hum/rumble/noise whatsoever.
My DIY 18" tonearm with a very sensitive Van Den Hul Colibri rests on the same slate of granite. Again: no noize from motor whatsoever.
Decouple the motor; that's the trick.
Regards and enjoy the Scheu.
Reinout
((i could switch to Dutch but that would be rather impracticle to other users))
Scheu: yep.....also my turntable. Also a special one (50 cm diameter; platter weighs in at more than 17 kgs). I really enjoy this table.
My motor (ex-cassette deck) is separate and sits on the same granite slate where the actual turntable rests. The motor housing rests on a small piece of sorbothane (.....i read that before....) and there is NO hum/rumble/noise whatsoever.
My DIY 18" tonearm with a very sensitive Van Den Hul Colibri rests on the same slate of granite. Again: no noize from motor whatsoever.
Decouple the motor; that's the trick.
Regards and enjoy the Scheu.
Reinout
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Hello Reinout,
Indeed Dutch is to hard to handle.
I saw your Scheu before posting my question. I know big platter has serious advantages but i was limited by my arm (fidelity research 64S) so i asked the late Thomas to make a platter which has a bigger diameter in the lower part and a smaller one in the upper part so the arm will not touch the platter when the cartridge is close to the center of the record.
My future phonostage will be placed partially under the arm base. So the slate/granite or another material cannot be as big as yours or i have to create a greater thickness in the middle of the '' console ''
At first i have been thinking about a wooden or metal '' box'' filled with lead shots and/or sand. It seems a bamboo butcher block works nice too.
Guy Marec wrote in february 1981 in French Audiophile magazine that a heavy turntable needs an even heavier support. He compared it to tables used to support scales for weighing extreme light objects.
His turntable stand weighs between 250 and 300 kilogrammes. Can find it on the internet but i have the real paper ones.
Do you have any tricks how to install the metal into the platter. If i remember well putting the platter in warm water before installing the metal bushing?
Greetings, Eduard
p.s if you like you can give it in a private message
Indeed Dutch is to hard to handle.
I saw your Scheu before posting my question. I know big platter has serious advantages but i was limited by my arm (fidelity research 64S) so i asked the late Thomas to make a platter which has a bigger diameter in the lower part and a smaller one in the upper part so the arm will not touch the platter when the cartridge is close to the center of the record.
My future phonostage will be placed partially under the arm base. So the slate/granite or another material cannot be as big as yours or i have to create a greater thickness in the middle of the '' console ''
At first i have been thinking about a wooden or metal '' box'' filled with lead shots and/or sand. It seems a bamboo butcher block works nice too.
Guy Marec wrote in february 1981 in French Audiophile magazine that a heavy turntable needs an even heavier support. He compared it to tables used to support scales for weighing extreme light objects.
His turntable stand weighs between 250 and 300 kilogrammes. Can find it on the internet but i have the real paper ones.
Do you have any tricks how to install the metal into the platter. If i remember well putting the platter in warm water before installing the metal bushing?
Greetings, Eduard
p.s if you like you can give it in a private message
Hi Eduard,
When i bought my platter + bearing it was an extremely tight fit. No water or super-pressure....the bearing slid in and i never bothered from than on....
Same with lubrication. I have that system now for 10 (?) years and never cleaned or opened the bearing.
I saw Mrs Scheu a couple of years ago (again) on the AAA-Krefeld analog fair and asked wether i should bother. The reply was simple: if it runs it runs. By opening it you can/may change the oil BUT there is a chance that you insert a hair or other dirt-bit.
I don't know your stand but the slate of granite was extremely helpfull lowering the noisefloor.
Still some pieces left. If course not you size but if interested give me a PM. You will have to clean it (easy) and cut it (stone workshop near to you. Shops selling tombstone can do marvels) but than the base is sound.
Regards, Reinout
When i bought my platter + bearing it was an extremely tight fit. No water or super-pressure....the bearing slid in and i never bothered from than on....
Same with lubrication. I have that system now for 10 (?) years and never cleaned or opened the bearing.
I saw Mrs Scheu a couple of years ago (again) on the AAA-Krefeld analog fair and asked wether i should bother. The reply was simple: if it runs it runs. By opening it you can/may change the oil BUT there is a chance that you insert a hair or other dirt-bit.
I don't know your stand but the slate of granite was extremely helpfull lowering the noisefloor.
Still some pieces left. If course not you size but if interested give me a PM. You will have to clean it (easy) and cut it (stone workshop near to you. Shops selling tombstone can do marvels) but than the base is sound.
Regards, Reinout
Reinout - nice turntable! It's interesting how we arrived at similar solutions to the construction of our turntables despite being around the world from one another. But yours is much more massive.
My experience on mounting the platter on the bearing was similar to yours. It slides on smoothly and just fits. It doesn't need to be forced. Similarly, the oil in the bearing doesn't seem to degrade even after many years. I recently disassembled my bearing and then re-lubricated it because I was moving things around. But it wasn't really necessary. And this was after >10 years of operation. Scheu recommends the use of HDP 46 oil, which is a 46 viscosity type used in hydraulics and gear boxes. The equivalent oil that is easier to find is Mobil DTE 25. I bought an amount that will last me several life times on ebay.
---Gary
Good morning Gary,
when i picked up the platter & bearing at her place Mrs Scheu sold me a bottle of Rivolta T.R.S. Plus. This is a creep oil with lubrication factor.
According to the datasheet this oil is "an outstanding lubricant for precision components".....which seems to be quite right after 10 years of faultfree running.
Datasheet included.
As i never changed the oil......the bottle is used once.......
Regards, Reinout
when i picked up the platter & bearing at her place Mrs Scheu sold me a bottle of Rivolta T.R.S. Plus. This is a creep oil with lubrication factor.
According to the datasheet this oil is "an outstanding lubricant for precision components".....which seems to be quite right after 10 years of faultfree running.
Datasheet included.
As i never changed the oil......the bottle is used once.......
Regards, Reinout
sheu motor and oil
Can you pls tell me what solution you adopted for you motor, controller and pulley ?
I have a sheu premier mk2. the motor broke down and I was looking for a new motor, possibly an upgrade of the sheu motor. I tried a Maxon ECmax with a maxon motor controller but I am not satisfied.
Can you pls tell me what solution you adopted for you motor, controller and pulley ?
Hi Gary, did you mean HLP 46 ? I have not found anything on the web for HDP 46.
thanks
Stefano
The motor that I use was one that was sold to me by Scheu. It's a motor that was made in the old East Germany for tape decks. It had an integrated pulley. Unfortunately those motors are no longer available.
I suggest that you just call up Scheu and see if they'll sell you a replacement motor. Or if you want to experiment, I'd also consider the motor and controller discussed in this thread DIY 4 Phase Sinewave Generator for Turntable Motor Drive
---Gary
As mentioned previously, look for Hydraulic Oil with viscosity 46. There are many manufacturers offering this type of oil. I used some Mobil DTE25 the last time that I changed the oil.
---Gary
thanks !
Sheu sell the all assembly for around 200€. I have found on ebay the orginal motor but I wanted to try an upgrade with industrial components to assembly e.g. Maxon motor and controller.