Jens,
I leave the layout to you.
Your board design skills are way beyond anything I could ever aspire to.
Yes, I would want to see the PCB in my hands before suggesting the detail of the mod I have in mind. I have a few redundant centre tapped and dual secondary transformers I want to use.
I also want to totem pole extra voltage on to the main PSU Vrails to give a regulated supply for the volt amp stages of your Leach layout and some others I have. The separate rectifiers suit this as well.
"Scalable" really means total flexibility in this thread.
I leave the layout to you.
Your board design skills are way beyond anything I could ever aspire to.
Yes, I would want to see the PCB in my hands before suggesting the detail of the mod I have in mind. I have a few redundant centre tapped and dual secondary transformers I want to use.
I also want to totem pole extra voltage on to the main PSU Vrails to give a regulated supply for the volt amp stages of your Leach layout and some others I have. The separate rectifiers suit this as well.
"Scalable" really means total flexibility in this thread.
Isn't this rather much when others state levels in the uV range?JensRasmussen said:10mVpp is 49 dB down compared a 2V RMS signal.
A simple LM317 will have up to 90 dB ripple rejection, a factor 100 better and output impedance of a couple of milliohms, a factor 100 better also.
The number posted is NOT the ripple rejection.... it is an absolute number...
I compared it to a 2V signal since this is the signal levle in the active filter.
\Jens
I compared it to a 2V signal since this is the signal levle in the active filter.
\Jens
Here are some more numbers (just measured)
The 10mVpp was measured with a lot less input capacitor.
C filter : 2 x 1000µF
C out : 22µF
Iout : 750mA => Pout 11.25W
Vripple on filter = 2.7Vpp
Vripple out = 2.8 mVpp
PSRR = -20 x log(2.8mV/2.7V) = 59dB
At 0A out the ripple noise drowns in the background noise on my scope @ 2mV/DIV
\Jens
The 10mVpp was measured with a lot less input capacitor.
C filter : 2 x 1000µF
C out : 22µF
Iout : 750mA => Pout 11.25W
Vripple on filter = 2.7Vpp
Vripple out = 2.8 mVpp
PSRR = -20 x log(2.8mV/2.7V) = 59dB
At 0A out the ripple noise drowns in the background noise on my scope @ 2mV/DIV
\Jens
peranders said:
Isn't this rather much when others state levels in the uV range?
A simple LM317 will have up to 90 dB ripple rejection, a factor 100 better and output impedance of a couple of milliohms, a factor 100 better also.
Really? at what load/Iout?
AFAICT the fairchild is measured at 0.5A @10V out - correct? and is typ = 60 dB
The National type is specified af Iout=10mA
At 10 mA out I'm unable to measure the ripple with the scope I have at home.
\Jens
a comment on power supply ripple for novices
Power supply ripple 49 db below the signal level doesn't sound great at first glance.
But it is NOT what will appear on the signal. The power supply ripple appearing in the signal will be reduced by the op amp's PSRR. If you are using the OPA2134, that's 106 db. So, there will be a bit of ripple 155 db below the nominal signal level and will be further reduced in typical applications drawing less current from the supply.
Power supply ripple 49 db below the signal level doesn't sound great at first glance.
But it is NOT what will appear on the signal. The power supply ripple appearing in the signal will be reduced by the op amp's PSRR. If you are using the OPA2134, that's 106 db. So, there will be a bit of ripple 155 db below the nominal signal level and will be further reduced in typical applications drawing less current from the supply.
Re: a comment on power supply ripple for novices
... yes, but what were the design goals? Good to remember. Does this filter board need better supply quality than from a plain LM317?BobEllis said:Power supply ripple 49 db below the signal level doesn't sound great at first glance.
But it is NOT what will appear on the signal. The power supply ripple appearing in the signal will be reduced by the op amp's PSRR.
peranders said:Jens, I just checked page 7 National datasheet, 90 dB at the most from the graph.
Yes at Tj=25 degrees C AND 450mA out. Vout = 10V and Vin = 15V
Not really long term/typical conditions as the part dissipate 2.5W!
I have never build or measured the 317 so I have no real world numbers to compare with.
\Jens
I suppose this is wideband noise (> 20 MHz?) so it's less A-weighted.JensRasmussen said:Here are some more numbers (just measured)
The 10mVpp was measured with a lot less input capacitor.
C filter : 2 x 1000µF
C out : 22µF
Iout : 750mA => Pout 11.25W
Vripple on filter = 2.7Vpp
Vripple out = 2.8 mVpp
Yoke - please clean out your in box. Your invoice keeps coming back with a "mailbox full" message. 🙁
Bob, Jens,
Why do I need a transformer with 2 independent secondaries?
The board has seperate + and - but the filter boards have only 1 ground. What's the point?
Why do I need a transformer with 2 independent secondaries?
The board has seperate + and - but the filter boards have only 1 ground. What's the point?
With the independent bridges you'll create a short circuit if you tie them together with a center tapped winding. The positive and negative portions are designed to be completely independent.
Use of a center tapped transformer will be addressed shortly.
Use of a center tapped transformer will be addressed shortly.
Center tapped Transformer use
If you want to use a center tapped transformer (15-0-15) with this board, do the following:
OMIT D2, D4, D12, D14, C1, C8, C19, C26.
Tie the positive and negative section grounds together
Connect center tap to the combined ground
Tie together AC1-1 and AC2-1
Tie together AC1-2 and AC2-2
AC inputs to the combined AC terminals
If you want to use a center tapped transformer (15-0-15) with this board, do the following:
OMIT D2, D4, D12, D14, C1, C8, C19, C26.
Tie the positive and negative section grounds together
Connect center tap to the combined ground
Tie together AC1-1 and AC2-1
Tie together AC1-2 and AC2-2
AC inputs to the combined AC terminals
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The boards will be delivered in about a month. I'll be packing PSU kits in the meantime. But, it will take a little longer to get this buy shipped out than the last one.
There are 61 paid orders out of 75 confirmed, and another 7 who signed up but didn't contact me.
I'll be packing and shipping over 21,000 boards and parts.

The boards will be delivered in about a month. I'll be packing PSU kits in the meantime. But, it will take a little longer to get this buy shipped out than the last one.
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