As a moderator you stated that dissemination of false information can´t be tolerated but as an member you obviously can´t refrain from doing that? 😉
No, that is not accurate.
nice ,I love marillion ,my Vox alnico rock tooMine has emigrated...!🙂
For the record Nicoch I have more than one system, my favourite, because I like the presentation even though I know it is flawed and not true high fidelity is a monoblock class A SET valve amp with OB full range with either streamed music or getting my record collection out and bashing a few LPs.... There is just something so retro and it reminds me of my teenage years, when my system was my Aunts old stereo valve set-up from a music centre played through my bass cab (4x10") mono.... LP covers were very useful for other duties whilst listening to 70S prog rock😀😀
same system I love OB too
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Your error here is your assumption that there were no tests done with positive controls. You get to be wrong!
You seem to have strong preconceptions.... 😉
I´ve responded to your post http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/64538-resistor-sound-quality-163.html#post4547365 and quoted the sentence that triggered my attention.
As said before your conclusion isn´t justified by the experimental results as no positive controls were included (according to your description).
My only assumption was that you might not have fully realized what the purpose of positive and negative controls is and why it is mandatory to incorporate controls on sufficient sensitivity levels.
Otherwise it isn´t possible to draw further (even far reaching) conclusions beside the most basic "null hypothesis could be rejected" or "couldn´t rejected".
Considering your assertion
The easiest positive control to obtain is that the listeners can still hear the difference they are used to hearing after the system has the switching gear incorporated into it, based on their sighted evaluations.
i think that my assumption wasn´t unfounded as, what you´ve described, constitutes no positive control.
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You seem to have strong preconceptions.... 😉
I´ve responded to your post http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/64538-resistor-sound-quality-163.html#post4547365 and quoted the sentence that triggered my attention.
As said before your conclusion isn´t justified by the experimental results as no positive controls were included (according to your description).
Please try linking your alleged post instead of my post. I know what I posted and your post should quote it and link to it anyway.
I've looked through the thread twice and reviewed your posts with a forum search and I can't find any relevant response from you.
As you cited my post (the alleged one 🙂 ), i am a bit puzzled, but it was this one
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/64538-resistor-sound-quality-165.html#post4547666
If you consider it as "relevant" is of course something completely different....
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/64538-resistor-sound-quality-165.html#post4547666
If you consider it as "relevant" is of course something completely different....
We DIY audio because we enjoy DIYing, not because we expect to make our music any better than we could hear with any competently engineered commercial system. Those who are looking for the crock of gold will find that they can never reach the end of the rainbow; especially those who don't understand rainbows.nicoch58 said:Your conclusion is that we can QUIT DIYAUDIO as we cannot find difference in audio stuff
We are DIY's here do not forget this
you misrepresent my word that are for arnyk and relate is audiophiles friends...please DF96 !We DIY audio because we enjoy DIYing, not because we expect to make our music any better than we could hear with any competently engineered commercial system. Those who are looking for the crock of gold will find that they can never reach the end of the rainbow; especially those who don't understand rainbows.
PS there isn't a commercial amp like mine or a speakers
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As you cited my post (the alleged one 🙂 ), i am a bit puzzled, but it was this one
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/64538-resistor-sound-quality-165.html#post4547666
If you consider it as "relevant" is of course something completely different....
Since it appears to be just your opinion stated as it if were some kind of irrefutable fact...
We DIY audio because we enjoy DIYing, not because we expect to make our music any better than we could hear with any competently engineered commercial system. Those who are looking for the crock of gold will find that they can never reach the end of the rainbow; especially those who don't understand rainbows.
Right. Just like I enjoy working on my house because I enjoy working with my hands, not because I think that by my efforts its beauty will suddenly surpass that of every other house in the world, country, state, city or even the neighborhood.
Free, all-expenses paid flight to NYC and 2 nights in a top hotel. Free pass to top high end audio show. All this for shooting the breeze for with John Atkinson for about an hour. Who can refuse?
Free, all-expenses paid flight to NYC and 2 nights in a top hotel. Free pass to top high end audio show. All this for shooting the breeze for with John Atkinson for about an hour. Who can refuse?
This is an oldie but still makes me giggle.
<snip> irrefutable fact...
Which it is, but is obviously hard to accept if one believes that this
"The easiest positive control to obtain is that the listeners can still hear the difference they are used to hearing after the system has the switching gear incorporated into it, based on their sighted evaluations."
really describes a positive control.
That would be the case if that's where they end but no. Some of them join audio forums and post claims such as hearing improvement after cable burn-in.At the end of the day, if you're enjoying the music you win!
Jakob2, how many level matched DBT (ABX) do you know of that the listeners couldn't detect audible difference that was really there?
Which it is, but is obviously hard to accept if one believes that this
"The easiest positive control to obtain is that the listeners can still hear the difference they are used to hearing after the system has the switching gear incorporated into it, based on their sighted evaluations."
really describes a positive control.
Using some authoritative definition of positive control, please explain why that wasn't a positive control.
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