I see no advantage to using speakers unless that's what are being tested.
Regards mono listening, it seems many of the small differences people report involve sound stage or definition of instruments etc, I think there is reason to believe distortions to the ITD information could be partially to blame. Interestingly a mono source could be used to determine if there are time distortions between the two stereo channels which would show up as a shift, smearing or widening of a central image for example
You could set up a whole new venture based on this EMF topic with power plugs optionally equiped with Bybee quantum purifiers. 😀
Hans
Promote? Nothing was ever for sale. You 'promote' level matched listening tests, so what are you selling?
Sometimes speakers are used to evaluate the subjective quality of the stereo illusion in way that is not possible with headphones.
IIRC, you are one of the people who think cables can affect SQ. How would you like it if you were accused of lying, selling something, and or imagining things? Would it be all that funny if people took the accusations against you seriously?
Nice deflection, or lousy memory. We were talking about distortion of a shunt resistor, mv of signal.
I understand most mixes are for speakers, what if a very good crossfeed circuit was used complete with delay?
When I think my wife is the most gorgeous looking of all women, it does not imply that I am selling women, do I ?
Am I imagining things, could be, but who cares.
Have you ever read that Scott took a Bybee apart and have you ever read the commercial text that Bybee has on their site ?
I have an open mind but there are limits.
Just like a 22k shunt resistor driven from a low source that is supposed to influence sound depending on the manufacturer.
Hans
P.S. see my posting #313
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This thread has gone from entertaining to down right useless. I dare everyone to stop posting on it.
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That is a good (if off topic) question. There are some fancy setups for making headphones more like speakers, the most fancy being the Smyth realiser. Those who have listened do say it's great, but it's $4000, does a lot of signal processing and requires calibrating to each set of ears. Those who listen to the sound of a single input resistor would most likely baulk at the added complexity and cost as it clearly can't sound better than what they have.
Most of the research into realistic soundfields with headphones is driven by the computer gaming industry and you could argue they are decades ahead of dinosaur stereo already. But outside gamers few seem bothered. If they were you'd have special iphone surround mixes available for all your favourite music.
I've noticed threads of this type seem to attract some knowledgeable people and get dragged off topic then someone tries to bring them back on topic and they get closed. 😉
Mark, suppose we are disputing whether there is a bear in a certain cave. I am putting up camera's at the entrance and watch it for the time a bear can be expected to survive without food, say 6 months. No bear can be seen entering or leaving.
But, you say, this particular bear maybe can go very long without food. So I sprinkle white sand all in front of the cave, watch it with another camera and for two years there are no paw prints to be seen.
Did I prove that there is no bear in the cave? No, I didn't.
But if you now come up with the argument that maybe this particular bear can fly and not leave a camera image, I am not going to take you serious.
That is the situation we are in here. Did we prove that the OP cannot have heard a difference? No. But I for one am not going to take it serious.
Jan
But, you say, this particular bear maybe can go very long without food. So I sprinkle white sand all in front of the cave, watch it with another camera and for two years there are no paw prints to be seen.
Did I prove that there is no bear in the cave? No, I didn't.
But if you now come up with the argument that maybe this particular bear can fly and not leave a camera image, I am not going to take you serious.
That is the situation we are in here. Did we prove that the OP cannot have heard a difference? No. But I for one am not going to take it serious.
Jan
Well, he said the tests are ongoing, from what he said so far he could have produced some results similar to what Amir describes, but hasn't, from his tone I doubt he will, I expect to see a pig flying passed my window first...
If you think that and keep it to yourself, no big deal.
Now IF you go into an expensive bar, full of rich people and brag brag brag 😕 about your BEAUTIFUL wife, incessantly try to prove it no matter what, cite other people´s opinion whether they actually confirm your ideas or not, hotly debate any opinion to the contrary ... I could think maybe you are in that Business after all. 😎
Just following your own example 🙄
Jan,
One of the unwritten till now conclusion was that carbon composition resistors behaved differently due to the source of the carbon. (Coal mine!) Most carbon composition resistors were quite different in their distortion profiles. However a few were so close, that at first I thought they might just be the same manufacturer but sold under different brands. Checking that out, it turned out not to be the case. Turned out the source of the required high quality coal was what caused them to be almost twins.
I would expect measuring their performance by any method would show quite substantial similarities. Not quite the case here, but also not quite the case of wildly different results. Of course the result presentation is a bit unclear.
The standout result from almost all resistor listening tests is the binary choice preference is either for low distortion units or a particularly colored version.
While you prefer Rembrandt others prefer Van Gogh. Obviously you are both wrong, as at one time Kodak ruled! (Of course overthrown by a monster of its’ own creation.”
One of the unwritten till now conclusion was that carbon composition resistors behaved differently due to the source of the carbon. (Coal mine!) Most carbon composition resistors were quite different in their distortion profiles. However a few were so close, that at first I thought they might just be the same manufacturer but sold under different brands. Checking that out, it turned out not to be the case. Turned out the source of the required high quality coal was what caused them to be almost twins.
I would expect measuring their performance by any method would show quite substantial similarities. Not quite the case here, but also not quite the case of wildly different results. Of course the result presentation is a bit unclear.
The standout result from almost all resistor listening tests is the binary choice preference is either for low distortion units or a particularly colored version.
While you prefer Rembrandt others prefer Van Gogh. Obviously you are both wrong, as at one time Kodak ruled! (Of course overthrown by a monster of its’ own creation.”
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