You are right I haven't checked that you can buy 4365 horns and drivers but you can (if you know the right people) buy the parts for an M2 and make your own, and several people have done that Project M2 DIY Thread. A little more than $1000 for the M2 set but not a huuuge amount more IIRC.
Now according to the webs, you built a pair of M2 a likes. Now you are lucky enough to have some nice OEM JBLs as well. How do they compare? And of the people on audioheritage who built M2 copies how far off the real deal were they? Would be interesting to know in the context of this thread.
(aside, given some of the DIY tapped horn projects would be really neat to get a comparion with the real deal Danleys but logistics probably throws that out the window).
is it replicate the speaker design
or replicate the sound
with minidsp rew arta / box calculators and plethora of advice on line diy has never been easier.
how many companies never started as diy😱
or replicate the sound
with minidsp rew arta / box calculators and plethora of advice on line diy has never been easier.
how many companies never started as diy😱
Woofer - $575 ea
Horn - $375 ea
Horn Flange - $120 ea
I'll omit the $175 ea passive crossover component, but that still leaves us with the compression driver - they quit selling the M2 version without a M2 serial number, so if you want the D2430K, they are
D2430K - $1599 ea
So a little less than $3K/side will get you going. Amps and DSP up to the builder.
I also bought the amps to go all the way but I am stuck. I don't have the port geometry and while there have been some pretty clever ports constructed by the DIY community, for me going this far and missing on the ports won't get it.
After the DD's are done I will get back to the M2's. I thought port dimensions would turn up somewhere by now.
Comparing subs to genuine Danleys would indeed be tough. I have four Mini enclosure clones with 2206J's in them and they are incredible for 22.5X22.5x15 boxes. Someday.
Barry.
does crazyman Josh Stippich's work count?
the Electron Luv website seems to be down at the moment, but just engage your Google engines
the Electron Luv website seems to be down at the moment, but just engage your Google engines
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
$1500 for the CD. Ouch! But if that's the best CD money can buy (please note here my fairly total ignorance on that technology) then its a steal compared with the Seas Excel T29D001 Diamond Dome Tweeter at $6800 a pair. But the rest of the parts are not silly money and in fact the M2 speakers can be had in UK for £9k a pair, but I understand you have to buy all the bits to go with them, otherwise I'd start saving.
Barry: Hope you find what you need to complete the ports. I'd love to try a big horn a home, but my living room is smaller than some Danley speakers!
Barry: Hope you find what you need to complete the ports. I'd love to try a big horn a home, but my living room is smaller than some Danley speakers!
One thing I want Is that vocal that hangs in mid-air In an almost 3d kind of way - like I heard with some MBLs and Accapella horns.
Anyone got any tips on how to achieve that?
Anyone got any tips on how to achieve that?
Does it count if a few years ago I said I could never do that but ended up doing it? Not really a clone, but an Avalon inspired design I found at HT Guide. Never thought I could cut the facets or do a decent job veneering.
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showth...nt-Reference-Thread-How-we-realized-the-Dream
When properly placed with decent electronics and recordings it has that 3D imiage out in space that fatmarley wants. Does a nice job sounding at least as good as the Avalon Time that inspired it.
Sorry about the sideways picture. It stays upright on my computer and phone.
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showth...nt-Reference-Thread-How-we-realized-the-Dream
When properly placed with decent electronics and recordings it has that 3D imiage out in space that fatmarley wants. Does a nice job sounding at least as good as the Avalon Time that inspired it.
Sorry about the sideways picture. It stays upright on my computer and phone.
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There should be. There's never been more manufacturing and design technology at our fingertips.
And the Porsche 918 comes from back in the day. There's still a few that are running. But have you seen the new 911 hybrid? 1000 horsepower at your fingertips, but you can drive it in all electric mode and still have 400 horsepower and up to 80+ mpg. It's not your mother's Prius. 😀
I hope you see my analogy, but I guess the market just doesn't support a state of the art speaker.
The top offerings from Magico, Rockport and Wilson Benesch are as state of the art as you'll get. Only super rich mofos need apply
Not as far as materials, but the Launch video showing the development was v interesting
not that much as far as audio engineering
Goldmund or FM Acoustics probably have the same material value + creative ideas
or Acapella - materials, beauty and clever engineering
by the time you finish typing the phrase "SOTA", the goalposts have probably moved another 100yards down the road.
Jon - the 918 is a gorgeous piece of work, but I'd rather fancy something a bit more practical for a daily driver - such as the new Jag I-Pace?
Jon - the 918 is a gorgeous piece of work, but I'd rather fancy something a bit more practical for a daily driver - such as the new Jag I-Pace?
So if I were to replicate a high end speaker for looks alone, one of my top contenders would be this Magico, long ago discontinued. In particular what I like most is the separation of the driver baffle from the cabinet, making it look much leaner than it really is:
I have never heard it so I have no idea about the subjective performance. Another speaker I like the looks of.... but in this case not the 2 tone so much is the Sonus Faber Stradivari.
Also, I really DO like the sounds of them. I wish someday to have the space to make my own and then listen to my own wide-baffle designs! 🙂
While the tweeter is the bomb, as I recall these speakers had some complicated acoustical alignments. Either the mids were ported, or the woofers were ported differently... something along those lines.
In neither case would I attempt a pure clone however. My tastes are just my own, and I'm happy not having the sound of other brands in my home. 🙂
I have never heard it so I have no idea about the subjective performance. Another speaker I like the looks of.... but in this case not the 2 tone so much is the Sonus Faber Stradivari.
Also, I really DO like the sounds of them. I wish someday to have the space to make my own and then listen to my own wide-baffle designs! 🙂
While the tweeter is the bomb, as I recall these speakers had some complicated acoustical alignments. Either the mids were ported, or the woofers were ported differently... something along those lines.
In neither case would I attempt a pure clone however. My tastes are just my own, and I'm happy not having the sound of other brands in my home. 🙂
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Never warmed up to the square edges on that one, the Magico Mini did more for me from an acoustic perspective.
Do they still do their elliptical crossovers or is it true the newer ones use Linkwitz. Certainly not as high tech as a Porsche 918.
Not even their more modern alu enclosures if the passive crossover is the best they can come up with. I do understand it from a marketing and market point of view (letting end users still chose their own amps and DAC's) but I do think the new road B&O has shown is the technology of the future. Same as Kii and that other brand Bruno is involved in. They dared to let go of the passive view on speaker building (pun intended).
Do they still do their elliptical crossovers or is it true the newer ones use Linkwitz. Certainly not as high tech as a Porsche 918.
Not even their more modern alu enclosures if the passive crossover is the best they can come up with. I do understand it from a marketing and market point of view (letting end users still chose their own amps and DAC's) but I do think the new road B&O has shown is the technology of the future. Same as Kii and that other brand Bruno is involved in. They dared to let go of the passive view on speaker building (pun intended).
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