kenev said:
Whoops, should have searched.
But if I can get my hands on one, I'll still try it out.. I have a few Lee Towers LP's that really suck, but the previous owner wanted to throw them away..
Hi,
Kenev,
I think you're confusing a few things here.
Honestly I can't possibly imagine how an ultrasonic device could cause what you describe.
Cheers,😉
Kenev,
I think you're confusing a few things here.
Honestly I can't possibly imagine how an ultrasonic device could cause what you describe.
Cheers,😉
The National Library of Canada (and others) recommend using a solution of Tergitol in distilled water. I have been using this solution on thrift store finds and am quite satisfied. I am to the point of using it on new albums also to remove mold release compounds. It will not harm even shellac discs. Just be sure to rinse with distilled water after the wash.
On the used recordings, I usually mix a small amount of enzymes with the cleaner to remove organic compounds such as mold.
Tergitol is available in smaller quantities from Talas:
http://talasonline.com/.
The NLC recommendations are at:
http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/6/28/s28-1019-e.html
Cody
On the used recordings, I usually mix a small amount of enzymes with the cleaner to remove organic compounds such as mold.
Tergitol is available in smaller quantities from Talas:
http://talasonline.com/.
The NLC recommendations are at:
http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/6/28/s28-1019-e.html
Cody
Hi,
Tergitol:
Tergitol 15-S-3, 15-S-9
Tergitol 15-S-3, and 15-S-9 Surfactant is a clear liquid, nonionic surfactant which is ideally suited for many applications. The S-3 is oil soluble, and the S-9 is water soluble. This product is a mixture of linear secondary alcohols reacted with ethylene oxide. The general formula is:
C11-15H23-31O[CH2CH2O]xH
This product has proved effective in removing grease, oil and fingerprints from phonograph records and cleans old acetate, lacquer-covered, aluminum disks.
It seems to do pretty much the same as what the isopropanol part does in the more common solutions.
I doubt whether Tergitol is available worldwide, does anyone know?
It looks like a good alternative, maybe even better.
Thanks, Cody.
Cheers,😉
Tergitol:
Tergitol 15-S-3, 15-S-9
Tergitol 15-S-3, and 15-S-9 Surfactant is a clear liquid, nonionic surfactant which is ideally suited for many applications. The S-3 is oil soluble, and the S-9 is water soluble. This product is a mixture of linear secondary alcohols reacted with ethylene oxide. The general formula is:
C11-15H23-31O[CH2CH2O]xH
This product has proved effective in removing grease, oil and fingerprints from phonograph records and cleans old acetate, lacquer-covered, aluminum disks.
It seems to do pretty much the same as what the isopropanol part does in the more common solutions.
I doubt whether Tergitol is available worldwide, does anyone know?
It looks like a good alternative, maybe even better.
Thanks, Cody.
Cheers,😉
Frank,
I think you're confusing a few things here. Honestly I can't possibly imagine how an ultrasonic device could cause what you describe.
As I wrote:
"From what I have read, searching the forum on this topic...."
Have a look at this post:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=82332#post82332
This is not my opinion. I' m just collecting information on the best way and most safe solution for cleaning a number of secondhand records I have in hand.
Cheers🙂
I think you're confusing a few things here. Honestly I can't possibly imagine how an ultrasonic device could cause what you describe.
As I wrote:
"From what I have read, searching the forum on this topic...."
Have a look at this post:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=82332#post82332
This is not my opinion. I' m just collecting information on the best way and most safe solution for cleaning a number of secondhand records I have in hand.
Cheers🙂
cleaning solutions
Hi Guys
Ethyl alch. is sugar based and methyl is wood based . neither is recommended for cleaning as ethyl removes natural lubricant from vinyl and will result in eventual cracking (a result of becoming brittle) and methyl actually attacks vinyl . The method found by Frank at beggining of thread is similar to the one used by USA Library of Congress (?) Isopropyl is the best for lp's . However our own Broadcasting service library staff use a mixture containing "Parrafin" as it both cleans and lubricates vinyl naturally. (They have the biggest Archive of vinyl in the Southern Hemisphere, vinyl and acetate)I have been trying to get a copy of the formula but I assume that parafin and isopropyl could be used together.
I use 1/4 Iso to 3/4 demin. water + 100 ml Amonia spirit +25 ml "Benzine" , sometimes used as a Laundry cleaner.
However there is a gentleman who has been using neat Iso for the last 20 years or so and he reported now degradation of any of his lp's.
If LP's become noisy afterwards means they need more cleaning and a wipe of parrafin may cure the problem.
regards
keith birss
NB do not use any Alch. for Acetate records.
Hi Guys
Ethyl alch. is sugar based and methyl is wood based . neither is recommended for cleaning as ethyl removes natural lubricant from vinyl and will result in eventual cracking (a result of becoming brittle) and methyl actually attacks vinyl . The method found by Frank at beggining of thread is similar to the one used by USA Library of Congress (?) Isopropyl is the best for lp's . However our own Broadcasting service library staff use a mixture containing "Parrafin" as it both cleans and lubricates vinyl naturally. (They have the biggest Archive of vinyl in the Southern Hemisphere, vinyl and acetate)I have been trying to get a copy of the formula but I assume that parafin and isopropyl could be used together.
I use 1/4 Iso to 3/4 demin. water + 100 ml Amonia spirit +25 ml "Benzine" , sometimes used as a Laundry cleaner.
However there is a gentleman who has been using neat Iso for the last 20 years or so and he reported now degradation of any of his lp's.
If LP's become noisy afterwards means they need more cleaning and a wipe of parrafin may cure the problem.
regards
keith birss
NB do not use any Alch. for Acetate records.
Hi,
Sure...no problem with that.
It's just that I don't agree with that opinion in that I have friends using ultrasonic devices ( because they have them already for professional reasons) and they never reported any damage from using them.
I'm not sure what kind of ultrasonic device Dice45 had in mind but since these are probably quite expensive anyway I suggest we'd better forget about them for now.
A second opinion on this would be most welcome....any takers?
Cheers,😉
Sure...no problem with that.
It's just that I don't agree with that opinion in that I have friends using ultrasonic devices ( because they have them already for professional reasons) and they never reported any damage from using them.
I'm not sure what kind of ultrasonic device Dice45 had in mind but since these are probably quite expensive anyway I suggest we'd better forget about them for now.
A second opinion on this would be most welcome....any takers?
Cheers,😉
Chemicals availability.
Hi ,
I cannot get most of the chemicals you descibe. So I mixed my own brew as follows:
1. Distilled water - 200ml
2. Isopropyl alcohol - 20 ml
3. Concentrated ( green ) liquid dish cleaning soap - 3 drops
4. 1ml window glass cleaner - ( Colin ). ( because I think it has a trace of ammonia !)
I apply the liquid on both surfaces and rub it around by hand. Then I use a 4 inch wide piece of felt wrapped on a piece of wood. I run it in the direction of the grooves three four times on either side of the disc.
Then I wash the disc under a very strong jet of water under the tap. The disc is kept at an angle to the water flow and rotated slowly one full revolution. Once for each side. Then I spray distilled water on to both surfaces till I think all the tap water has been replaced by the distilled water. I then tap it gently on its edge on some cloth to remove excess water. Then place it on a freshly washed lint free cloth and rub it visibly dry - in the direction of the grooves. The I run a record cleaning brush on both sides to remove all water from inside the grooves.
End result : (Unplayable) VERY noisy discs and distorting discs play beautifully. Surface noise is 'very' low. It's just amazing. As you can imagine I am freaking out on this. Boy , vinyl NEVER sounded so good - far better than all the DAC's I have heard at 1.000's of dollars !!! I can't get over what I have been missing !
My Phono amp is a passive eq tube type. Power amp is a tube/mosfet hybrid.
Cheers.
Ashok.
Hi ,
I cannot get most of the chemicals you descibe. So I mixed my own brew as follows:
1. Distilled water - 200ml
2. Isopropyl alcohol - 20 ml
3. Concentrated ( green ) liquid dish cleaning soap - 3 drops
4. 1ml window glass cleaner - ( Colin ). ( because I think it has a trace of ammonia !)
I apply the liquid on both surfaces and rub it around by hand. Then I use a 4 inch wide piece of felt wrapped on a piece of wood. I run it in the direction of the grooves three four times on either side of the disc.
Then I wash the disc under a very strong jet of water under the tap. The disc is kept at an angle to the water flow and rotated slowly one full revolution. Once for each side. Then I spray distilled water on to both surfaces till I think all the tap water has been replaced by the distilled water. I then tap it gently on its edge on some cloth to remove excess water. Then place it on a freshly washed lint free cloth and rub it visibly dry - in the direction of the grooves. The I run a record cleaning brush on both sides to remove all water from inside the grooves.
End result : (Unplayable) VERY noisy discs and distorting discs play beautifully. Surface noise is 'very' low. It's just amazing. As you can imagine I am freaking out on this. Boy , vinyl NEVER sounded so good - far better than all the DAC's I have heard at 1.000's of dollars !!! I can't get over what I have been missing !
My Phono amp is a passive eq tube type. Power amp is a tube/mosfet hybrid.
Cheers.
Ashok.
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Looks like a nice, do-able solution to use in my AT6012 when it runs out. Thanks for posting.
Looks like a nice, do-able solution to use in my AT6012 when it runs out. Thanks for posting.
I'm getting good results with the following:
75 - 80% distilled water
20 - 25% isopropyl alcohol
A couple of drops of Kodak Photoflo.
I make at least a couple of liters of this at a time..
Record cleaning on my diy VPI inspired record cleaning machine:
Spray with cleaner, scrub with brush very vigorously, and then vacuum.
Spray with distilled water, scrub gently, and then vacuum.
75 - 80% distilled water
20 - 25% isopropyl alcohol
A couple of drops of Kodak Photoflo.
I make at least a couple of liters of this at a time..
Record cleaning on my diy VPI inspired record cleaning machine:
Spray with cleaner, scrub with brush very vigorously, and then vacuum.
Spray with distilled water, scrub gently, and then vacuum.
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