Rca Interconnects With Rg Cheap Cables

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why?

Allen Wright said:
In a word, no!

But it is possible to make very good sounding interconnects from inexpensive wire wrap wire and some cheap RCA plugs, the plans are in my Supercables CookBook.

Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)
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I see RG-59 is used in a great number of cables, can you explain with simple words why is impossible to achieve good quality cables with coaxial cables?

What about this kit:
http://www.diyaudiocable.com/bruce-brisson-giant-killer-diy-audio-interconnect.html

So bad are they?

Thanks
 
#4
Regular RG-59 etc use a braided outer shield, which has to act as the signal return. The signal passing through the braid has thousands of interconnections, all which may become to some degree corrodded with time.

The signal through the braid is like riding a bicycle on cobble stones, not pure and smooth.

Try it yourself...

Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)
 
#5
Hi Allen,

Didn’t know electrons travel on bicycles :clown: But to be honest, I have good results with RG58 and RG59, where RG59 has lower capacitance over RG58.

At the moment all of my lo-signal audio cabling consist of Belden 75 ohms SATV downstream cable with excellent results. Works also great as S/PDIF cable.

Cheers 😉
 
#6
If you are happy with the sound of such cables, who am I to critique you? But I am not, and have many designs that sound far far better, to my ears art least!

But of course your coax cables work well as a digital interconnect - a proper 75 ohm cable is what a digital system is intended to have.

Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)
 
#7
I'm tired of proving expensive cables looking for the best sound. I've proved several models of nordost, transparent audio, jpslabs and many others and i think they are really tricks. I think Their price is not a product of better quality cables, but the existence of a buyer stupid enough to buy it. So i will prove how cheap I can go with cables to achieve no audible differences between transparent or nordost cables and diy cheap cables in blind tests. First one i will prove is RG59.
I can prove also a diy cable project suggested by Allen.

Thanks.
 
#8
I have written the book on DIY cables, it's called "The SuperCables CookBook" and is available on my website. WE have sold nearly 4000 copies.

If you want a very simple but very good sounding cable, then:

1/ take three lengths of 28 gauge wire wrap wire

2/ Braid them together

3/ At one end only, join two of the wires together.

4/ Solder on the cheapest, lightest RCA sockets you can find - DO NOT USE anything heavy like WBT!

5/ The wires that were joined become the earth side at one end.

6/ One of these "earth" wires at the other end becomes the earth connection to the RCA plug, the other "earth" wire is not connected to anything.

7/ The third wire is of course "hot" at both ends.

This exact wire has beaten MANY expensive commercial cables in direct listening tests, and a super version of this design but made using pure silver wire and solid silver Bullet plugs has beaten the most expensive I/C on the market - the Nordost ODIN at some $15,000!

Give this a try.

Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)
 
#9
I appreciate both of your ideas and work. I hope you both continue.

Unfortunately, cables 'sound' is the sort of thing that just goes in circles. See here. - currently on post #3471...

Also unfortunately, I have yet to see anyone publish hard data demonstrating the audibility of interconnects (not including interconnects that have 'problems').

If anyone has any evidence for either side, PLEASE SHARE!


Juluska - if you want help setting up a rigorous test, please contact SY on this forum. He knows his stuff.
 
#10
skin effect

I've finished RG-59 interconnection cables. The first impression is very good, very detailed sound compared with Virtual Dynamics David Series. Rg-59 central conductor is made of copper plated steel. Is possible that copper plated steel can reduce skin effect?
I'm proving it with MHZS CD-88 hybrid cd, passive preamplifier and First Watt F5 clone amplifier and I think the sound is little more detailled and I have to reduce one or two steps the volume pot than using Virtual Dynamics cables...
 
#11
Allen Wright said:
I have written the book on DIY cables, it's called "The SuperCables CookBook" and is available on my website. WE have sold nearly 4000 copies.

If you want a very simple but very good sounding cable, then:

1/ take three lengths of 28 gauge wire wrap wire

2/ Braid them together

3/ At one end only, join two of the wires together.

4/ Solder on the cheapest, lightest RCA sockets you can find - DO NOT USE anything heavy like WBT!

5/ The wires that were joined become the earth side at one end.

6/ One of these "earth" wires at the other end becomes the earth connection to the RCA plug, the other "earth" wire is not connected to anything.

7/ The third wire is of course "hot" at both ends.

This exact wire has beaten MANY expensive commercial cables in direct listening tests, and a super version of this design but made using pure silver wire and solid silver Bullet plugs has beaten the most expensive I/C on the market - the Nordost ODIN at some $15,000!

Give this a try.

Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)
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Let me see if i understand correctly, i have a few question on some of your points.

1 - get 3 pieces of same length 28ga Wires (any material inside? copper, silver?) PTFE?
3 - use cheapest RCA , btw, why no heavy ones?
 
#12
Hi,
>1 - get 3 pieces of same length 28ga Wires (any material inside? copper, silver?) PTFE?<

I specified wire wrap wire. That's what I suggest you use.

> - use cheapest RCA , btw, why no heavy ones?<

You need to read my book to get that information: "The SuperCables CookBook"

available from the on-line shop on my website.

Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)
 
#13
I know this is an old thread but I shall post anyway......

I honestly cannot hear the difference between a quality shielded interconnect and the funky stuff.

I use RG59 cable for most things, just make sure the shield is copper or you will find installation of the ends quite difficult.

I have also used twisted pair CAT5e with excellent results in my car.

Yes, cheap cat 5 cable..... 4 pairs.... 4 channels of analog audio. It sounds great! No hiss, no hum. The twisted pair is quite effective at rejecting external interference.
 
#14
I honestly cannot hear the difference between a quality shielded interconnect and the funky stuff.
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Hi Hardwareguy. Honestly, you should be hearing a difference between cables. I don't know how much stereo imaging you get in a car, but in a home Hi-Fi system the change to Allen's design was a wake up call. It was so obvious a change for the better.

I know this is an old thread, but I made a set of interconnects from Allen's Cookbook.
Let me tell you they are great! I had a set of silvers twisted pair wire with heavy plugs.
The basic ICs in his book creamed the silver ICs. Not by a little, but by a lot.
These were rated at a 5 out of 10. I can't imagine what the 10 rated ICs sound like.

Cost me around $20 for parts. Took around 2.5 hours to make. Totally worth it if you need good ICs. Don't waste your time with off the shelf cables. I'm a believer.

Still have a lot of wire left over. Going back to out to buy more RCA plugs.

Get the book. It's worth it and explains everything. Don't ask me for more info, cause I won't give it up.

To Allen! My deepest respect!

Vince
 
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