I was thinking... did the OP really type all that?!? Are people really still trying to help him?!?! Does anyone realize that he's mocking us?!?!
Then I got to your post...
Actually, I thought about changing the colors a bit, and making an interactive web applet.
I have no further input... he's either a troll, 12, or completely off his rocker. I've spent too many enjoyable years learning what I know about electronics, to play games with someone who has no interest in learning, and thinks it's cute to ramble gibberish about something most, if not all of us, are passionate about, almost to a fault.
Why would they go to that to troll in a place like this, this is not trolling. I say he's 12 and off his rocker.
Where did the word "troll" come from?
Is there a derivation based on some non english language?
It was quite new to me when I bumped into it and had to have it explained to me on this Forum.
Is there a derivation based on some non english language?
It was quite new to me when I bumped into it and had to have it explained to me on this Forum.
I think it's a cyber-combination of two uses: "troll" (verb) as an angling technique and "troll" (noun) as a mythical creature.
It becomes the hidden ogre dangling the bait.
It becomes the hidden ogre dangling the bait.
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what i get is people are taking a stupid stride with me.
jst because an amplifier gets its power from the same source, that doesnt mean the amplifier's two halfs dont work independantly.
there are caps dedicated for one rail of transistors while the other caps are dedicated for the other rail of transistors.
those transistors might react with the same exact timing to prevent oscillation, but that doesnt hide independance.. it only masks it.
no independance means no jitter, and no jitter means all amps would sound the same except for the components and circuit traces.
i find it obnoxious that i was simply told no without any representation.
it looks to be an ugly attempt to keep the manufacturers in the spotlight, as if there are other people that can afford the bulk of the necessitated minimum purchase requirement for such savings.
the same savings that are passed over to the customers, thus saving the brand name from being victimized by homebuilt circuits.
i cant justify the actions taken upon me.. and i wont.
what i will continue to take from the lack or rationality & logic is..
yes,
it is possible for those pieces of ceramic (or any piece of anything added to the coil) to be hooked into the atomic structure to prevent the piece from moving.
but
the only way this works is to keep the flow of electricity going in one way.
that means you can't have your other half of the amplifier pumping a push from the sink side because you'll make the piece loose in its seat.
the only way to allow the amplifier type to work well with the speaker is to put a hook in for both ways, and if it isnt done with full support.. the speaker will see jitter from the piece until (if) it breaks loose completely.
this causes speakers with enhancements to cost more because they dont know what type of amplifier it is going to be connected to.
sticking with an industrial average means you can benefit from lower production cost and save some money on the final cost of the speaker.
but
that is only if the speaker manufacturer chooses to charge more for more materials and design complexity.
truth is..
it is possible to create little junctions in the voice coil to steer or divide the electricity in a certain path to make the speaker sound better.
and the truth is, the amplifier with a clamp design can ruin those new speakers in little time as i stated above.
they can take this as previous designs already built and installed wont work.
its cheaper to add the pieces for a superior sound than to shape the entire wind atomically correct.
therefore it would be wise to invest in the other type of amplifier design.
i wasnt receiving appropriate information, thus what they might say as a reason they didnt output appropriate advice.
but
they shouldnt be allowed to berate my freedom of conscious.
you hear them saying what my amp can and cant do when there is no evidence of them knowing which amplifier i've got.
their way of casual|business is not the same as mine.
although my question wasnt answered here, i did get the website link that informs me a second time of the resistor requirements.
i ordered some 20 watt resistors off ebay because i cant afford to replace a broken cd player.
i'm not worried about how the amplifier works by design, i was only worried about the longevity of its function.
i think the war of the new speaker designs is going to be exactly that.
those that can afford and are willing to give, compared to those that save and rely on industry standards to keep things from breaking.
however,
there are lots of older speakers out there and thus the amplifier design shouldnt be seen as obsolete.
especially when considering the 'premium' design efforts to keep those enhancements safe.
personally..
i dont think it is safe to put only one resistor on the speaker and call it safe simply because of additional resistance.
you gotta think about the important timing constraints within the connection of each component.
some might be considered an 'overclocked' value for your money.. while other combinations of components might fail or see reduced efficiency as much is wasted from thermal rise, as well as losing the handling ability of each component.
as far as i'm concerned, it could be the difference of the amplifier becoming dead in 3 years compared to 10 or 12 years.
i'm done with my inquiry, as i've made the decisive action to replace the resistors.
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I was thinking... did the OP really type all that?!? Are people really still trying to help him?!?! Does anyone realize that he's mocking us?!?!
Then I got to your post...
I have no further input... he's either a troll, 12, or completely off his rocker. I've spent too many enjoyable years learning what I know about electronics, to play games with someone who has no interest in learning, and thinks it's cute to ramble gibberish about something most, if not all of us, are passionate about, almost to a fault.
you carry an american flag next to your forum screen name.
your freedom of conscious can be escorted away from public gatherings since you claim to be intolerant of such situation.
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i mean.. to call me a troll would be to say that the resistors in question dont physically exist in the install i've pointed out.
that type of paranoia is not enough to begin prosecuting as you've done.
as for calling me 12, innocense has no age.
as for claiming i am off some rocker of any type.. you really arent passionate enough about the connections you participate in when there is evidence of value to be had.
perhaps you need to seek out a reliable private investigator to fulfill your needs to keep you from embarassing yourself and others.
i came for knowledge, not a fight.
if you only knew about what is going on with my desire to learn.
i plan on going to school for electronics, but my situation isnt healthy enough to support mental and emotional needs to start schooling.
now i encounter this and it only adds more burden to the bridge between me and school.
i see you trying to punish others as you protect what you call a society, but that is exactly what makes you a menace to society.
see.. the letter N is shaped as such.
it means down with latin and up with the present or future.
but
it is the latin that is going to get you into trouble.
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it was latin (people's experience with electronics) that brought me here.
you were indecent as you wouldnt give me the same latin credit i've given others.
why you bother to be here has proven to be 'other' than the safety of the human species.
you should be preventing consequences rather than hiding or confusing them.
i see judgement as either being for or against learning, because it boils down to the progress or death of the species.
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lets not forget what it means to give people accurate advice.
for one, people willing to try it on their own should be allowed to better themselves whether they went to college or not because a success might be what brings them to college.
you say 'well if they were passionate about electronics they would simply go'
and i say 'well if they are exhausted at the end of the course run then they wont be progressing any further'
wise up and realize it isnt always set in stone as to how people go about succeeding and bettering themselves.
some people are charged up but wont feel safe to make a move until they've dipped their toe into the water before the big swim.
realize there is money to be made from hobbyists buying components at less than wholesale cost.
realize a dumb person remains dumb no matter how thirsty they are to learn because there wasnt anybody there to teach them.
realize not everybody can afford to go out there and make mistakes to learn from what is there in front of them.
dont pass by the fact of me knowing (or not knowing) the difficulty of more than one plumber in the area trying to pay their monthly bills.
i dont claim the economy is safe or insured, but i dont see that as a reason to end the progress of the human species continuing to learn, continuing to better themselves, continuing to learn new trades.
as much as you might want to say 'if everybody knows how to do everything, there wont be any room for anybody else to get paid for doing it'
because for one.. experience helps.
secondly, you are either learning and spending all your time doing the learning.. or you are keeping your list of skills low as you apply what you've learned out in the field.
there are countless numbers of dollars, as well as jobs, to keep track of where the economy is.. where it is going.. and where it needs to go.
because in the end, we all know how to do everything for ourselves?
well then we can once again relax with time on our side rather than time against us.
i really dont think it is rational to say people can learn a whole bunch of things in one lifetime.
they will be dead eventually.
now if you believe in reincarnation, that doesnt mean they will be taking what they learned with them to the next life.
even if they do.. you can be found as a hypocrite to say 'people need to be passionate when entering the job market'
because no matter how smart somebody is or how capable somebody is.. it is their choice to work where they want to work.
you really need to absorb that?
if i spend 3 years working for a company simply because i support the product, then it is the relationship between me and the product.
if i spend 30 years working with people in the area, then it is the relationship between me and the people.
economics is natural, as is their choice of becoming involved.
some people do things they dont want to do simply because the amount of money in the check is high enough.
perhaps that is a huge problem not many can wrap their head around to really see the damage it causes.
i push for perfection.
i once said people in a wheelchair should be answering telephones because their mobility justifies it.
but
if their passion is to do something else, then the overall health of the person is higher when they are happy.
nobody is going to get paid what they are worth if they are not in places that makes them happy AND go home to a lifestyle that also makes them happy.
until then, a shadow is casted on passion, morality, ethics, laws, policy, everyday life such as raising children that grow up to make the same mistakes or fix other mistakes.
i know something..
if there are two plumbers in the area, it is wise for somebody to pick the cheapest one.
but
that means the smaller fee is going to make the person popular and they wont have enough time in the day to get all the work done.
that opens up room for another plumber to get all the customers the first plumber cannot get to because there isnt enough time.
besides.. if the plumber works every single day, they made some money and they might have a wife or children they want to spend time with.. opening up more room for another plumber.
that is why two plumbers in the same area can and does work.
people simply cannot wait sometimes (even if they want to wait, sometimes they've got needs stating otherwise).
its overall a shame to oppress learning.
too many people believe the inertia comes and stays when it really doesnt.
for one, people willing to try it on their own should be allowed to better themselves whether they went to college or not because a success might be what brings them to college.
you say 'well if they were passionate about electronics they would simply go'
and i say 'well if they are exhausted at the end of the course run then they wont be progressing any further'
wise up and realize it isnt always set in stone as to how people go about succeeding and bettering themselves.
some people are charged up but wont feel safe to make a move until they've dipped their toe into the water before the big swim.
realize there is money to be made from hobbyists buying components at less than wholesale cost.
realize a dumb person remains dumb no matter how thirsty they are to learn because there wasnt anybody there to teach them.
realize not everybody can afford to go out there and make mistakes to learn from what is there in front of them.
dont pass by the fact of me knowing (or not knowing) the difficulty of more than one plumber in the area trying to pay their monthly bills.
i dont claim the economy is safe or insured, but i dont see that as a reason to end the progress of the human species continuing to learn, continuing to better themselves, continuing to learn new trades.
as much as you might want to say 'if everybody knows how to do everything, there wont be any room for anybody else to get paid for doing it'
because for one.. experience helps.
secondly, you are either learning and spending all your time doing the learning.. or you are keeping your list of skills low as you apply what you've learned out in the field.
there are countless numbers of dollars, as well as jobs, to keep track of where the economy is.. where it is going.. and where it needs to go.
because in the end, we all know how to do everything for ourselves?
well then we can once again relax with time on our side rather than time against us.
i really dont think it is rational to say people can learn a whole bunch of things in one lifetime.
they will be dead eventually.
now if you believe in reincarnation, that doesnt mean they will be taking what they learned with them to the next life.
even if they do.. you can be found as a hypocrite to say 'people need to be passionate when entering the job market'
because no matter how smart somebody is or how capable somebody is.. it is their choice to work where they want to work.
you really need to absorb that?
if i spend 3 years working for a company simply because i support the product, then it is the relationship between me and the product.
if i spend 30 years working with people in the area, then it is the relationship between me and the people.
economics is natural, as is their choice of becoming involved.
some people do things they dont want to do simply because the amount of money in the check is high enough.
perhaps that is a huge problem not many can wrap their head around to really see the damage it causes.
i push for perfection.
i once said people in a wheelchair should be answering telephones because their mobility justifies it.
but
if their passion is to do something else, then the overall health of the person is higher when they are happy.
nobody is going to get paid what they are worth if they are not in places that makes them happy AND go home to a lifestyle that also makes them happy.
until then, a shadow is casted on passion, morality, ethics, laws, policy, everyday life such as raising children that grow up to make the same mistakes or fix other mistakes.
i know something..
if there are two plumbers in the area, it is wise for somebody to pick the cheapest one.
but
that means the smaller fee is going to make the person popular and they wont have enough time in the day to get all the work done.
that opens up room for another plumber to get all the customers the first plumber cannot get to because there isnt enough time.
besides.. if the plumber works every single day, they made some money and they might have a wife or children they want to spend time with.. opening up more room for another plumber.
that is why two plumbers in the same area can and does work.
people simply cannot wait sometimes (even if they want to wait, sometimes they've got needs stating otherwise).
its overall a shame to oppress learning.
too many people believe the inertia comes and stays when it really doesnt.
Hmmm........
One things for sure, you haven't come here for "for knowledge, not a fight."
You insist on a having a personal opinion of a very simple technical issue. If
you think that is the nature of knowledge and learning sadly your very wrong.
Learning may boil down to the progress or death of your intellect. Your
doing yourself no favours whatsoever with your self-opinionated pseudo-
technical musings that are basically nonsense, or the rambling pseudo-
philosophy that adds up to saying nothing except self absorption.
rgds, sreten.
Edit : I think I 'm wasting my time. Another rambling post that has
utterly no place in a Solid State electronics forum. A lost cause.
One things for sure, you haven't come here for "for knowledge, not a fight."
You insist on a having a personal opinion of a very simple technical issue. If
you think that is the nature of knowledge and learning sadly your very wrong.
Learning may boil down to the progress or death of your intellect. Your
doing yourself no favours whatsoever with your self-opinionated pseudo-
technical musings that are basically nonsense, or the rambling pseudo-
philosophy that adds up to saying nothing except self absorption.
rgds, sreten.
Edit : I think I 'm wasting my time. Another rambling post that has
utterly no place in a Solid State electronics forum. A lost cause.
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Let me just say this.
You seem to have fried every single device that makes music in your home.
I believe in that case it is wise to listen to these nice people here, trying to explain you how these things work.
Don't think for a second, that he was picking favorites when he posted here - "Show More Posts" ... same topic, at least once in another area, car audio at home, home audio in a car...
I will give him this though - I honestly believe that he has the deepest desire, to be more intelligent than he is now. He just can't get past thinking that he already is... But alas, "Want in one hand, drop a deuce in the other, see which one fills up first."
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Dang it! I lied, I guess I have one more response for the OP - I'm going to venture to guess, that most of the folks on here, have little if any formal training, that can be construed as a valid stepping stone towards their current position of "in-the-know or close-to-it" (self-taught). I didn't use the word "passionate" lightly - and it may have even been a little lax of a definition. Maybe "obsessed" or somewhere in between would be more appropriate. But anywho, we love what we do, that's why we do it - incoherent ramblings and disregard for selfless, honest, and free advice, benefit no one. And you're still no closer to "getting it", than you would have been, by choosing not to post at all, and just picking up a book* - that's what I did.
*man, if google or this forum were around in 1980, damn!
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