pyramid driver WX120X specs?

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Looks like i'll get the Eminence Lab 12 sub rated 500w rms with 12mm x max and 4 0hms.
I much prefer professional audio drivers to car audio drivers anyday.But the only downside in the past why I didn't buy any, was the high cost of good pa drivers.
If money was no objection then I'd use some B&C or Mc Cauley or Precision Devices or RCF in the car[as these are all amazing quality pa driver manufactors,with long research into their drivers,100 hour pink noise tests at 20hz-20khz and so on].
So I've made the choice either Eminence Lab 12 or Eminence Delta 12 LF 4 0hm version [if somehow I can't afford the Lab 12],hope Delta 12lf has enough x max.
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Sounds like a good choice in my opinion.

If it were up to me my car would be loaded with nothing but Carvin PA speakers. I'm not sure what I would go with for the sub. Possibly car speakers sub system but in all likelyness I would go with PA speakers. Eminence or Carvin. I might check out the aluminum cone PA speakers too.

It's amazing the slam speakers that still use an accordian edge can give!
 
The Xmax

Well I wouldn't say I'm a "Pyramid" guy.

Their speakers do perform with the best of name brands though I know a lot of guys would like to try to contest this it's fact.

Any how it's somehwhere around 16-18 mm. It's quite a bit man! I don't have peak to peak specs but the industry standard is based on the foreward thrusting distance.

I have a pair of these and they will pound as hard as anything else out there you buy BUT they also sound really good. I'd put them up against a lot of name brands without any worries. Good warranties too. Unlike most big name brands , THEY"RE LOOOONG.

I'm a musician I have VERY high standards for sound quality which I GUARANTEE excedes many audiofiles. The standards for what is considered to be a quality sound for musical instrument purposes is VERY VERY different than what an audiofile considers quality. BOLDLY put, the standards are MUCH higher!

An earlier post on this thread in response to me claimed a 15 inch woofer is garbage for producing bass. IN HIS WORLD. He was well educated in car audio and electronics but he couldn't grasp that a 15, to a musician such as a bass player, is one of THE finest speakers you can use not due to BASS POWER AND RAW VOLUME but because of CLARITY!!!! CLARITy and DEPTH. Typically 15's and 10's are combined for the tight thick bass the tens give.

Two different worlds of audio purests out there..... Honestly I think some of us musicians have higher standards.
 
thanks a lot

very pleased with your answer.
but, is it the one wax xmax?
I want to know because I am xperimenting With some enclosure design programs(winisd,etc)and wanted to compare some drivers before buying,but,really,here in Argentina we don't have a lot of choices.the PW1286 sells for $191 (pesos, not dollars)in dollars, it is Us$54.and it is one of the cheapers.they must think it's crap.IDIOTS!!.they sell the low end of pioneer at $200 and up.they're mad if they think someone is going to buy any of their drivers.but they sell them.(yes,there are a lot of stupid guys who ,instead of having a very good speaker from what they think is a low quality brand, they buy a mediocre woofer, but from a different brand which is only a bit more popular and"sounds better"(the word only)
well Im looking forward to receiving your reply. and y hope my parents lend me some money for the PW1286(I'm 14 years old,I still don't love on my own)
bye!!!

P/D:how much power do you draw from the amplifier to move the woofers,(to each one).
 
The Xmax

I do believe that was a one way excursion not peak to peak.

Glad to see I'm no the only one who catches on to what goes on with car audio.

If you are able to mail order your speakers I would get them here:
http://www.bsless.com/pw1286.html

They sell for $31 USD each. Shipping is a flat rate of $10 no matter what so that is also very cheap.

I am currently feeding each speaker 400 watts RMS @ 4 ohms. Using only the amps crossover gives heart pounding bass.

When I use my independant crossover my volume power triples !
Eventually I would like to buy a bass driver which would give me so much power I could never ever put the volume of anywhere near full....with a normal crossover this is already happening.

I will try to find the data sheet for you because I know how important it is for the software that designs boxes. I do know these speakers are spec'd to perform best in a 3 cubic ft sealed enclosure.

I too would guarantee these would outperform the lower end Pioneers that sell for 5 times more....they've already blown away the lower end Kickers and Vega's EASILY and I would put them up against many of the mid and high grade models of such brands...Not all but many.

Hope that helps a bit, I'll try to find my data sheet to give you all the specs.

Bye
 
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thanks, you are helping me a lot.
the only problem with the shipping is that I live a couple of thousands kilometers away from where it is, and a $20 air shipping cost is like $60(for me, because the dollar-peso rate is 1-3),plus the complexity of the payment system,and the $90 of the wofer is about $160 in the best of all cases(in which the shipping cost is low.if not, it' just like buiyng it here).I'm 14 ,so I don't have visa, or matercard, or american express.
do you know if they send to other countries with lower taxes?
 
United Sttates Dollars?

I'm wondering if maybe we're getting our currency mixed up somewhere with what we're sending back and forth.

2 of those woofers would be $61 United States Dollars total.

Shipping I'm not sure of since it would be an international order but I'm certain it wouldn't be too much since I have ordered from other countries myself. They have an email address for shipping costs if it turns out that you can save money by going through them.

They do accept any form of payment from money orders to cashiers checks so you're covered there too.

Oh and I don't have that data sheet just yet but give me another couple days and I will.

I did get a definition of Xmax for you though.

XMAX: THE AMOUNT OF ONE WAY LINEAR EXCURSION A WOOFER POSSES. THIS MEASUREMENT IS BASED ON FOREWARD EXCURSION.

I know there are some peak to peak excursion measurments givin but the xmax is just a single direction measurement. Hope that helps a bit until I have the specs for you.

Oh yeah one other thing. There's an even higher end version of the PW1286 now. The PW1286X. Its got a heavier duty voice coil bobbin and been tweaked here and there like with a better injection pattern for the cone.

I'll get back to you soon man.
 
thanks.
that price is from BSless.com?
I sent an E-Mail asking for the shipping costs, and they answered me that due to the cost of the product an it's weight, they wouldn't send it to other countries, because shipping it overseas would be a lot more expensive than the product itself. anyway,if I buy two, maybe they reconsider.(or the shipping cost would be lower)
tht pw1286x seem to be better, but I don't Know the thiele/small parameters.It has got higher efficiency.¿do you know any Web page that sells them?
 
Hi MrCheeks,

You know, you've done my heart some good.

All this time, I've been kind of sheepish about the fact that I have four of the Pyramid WX-15 woofers in my A4 cabinets.

I have almost clicked the "buy" button at parts express to update them.

Your thread has saved me a thousand bucks Canadian so far.

When I listen, they sound just fine. Not to mention the expression on my friends faces.

It's nice to know that someone will stick up for the underdog.

Happier now than ever with my el cheapo woofers.

Cal

Long live the cheap woofer!
 
No Prob

Hey no problem man.

The simple truth is a lot of speakers being sold by different brands come out of the same factories that are contracted to build speakers to given specs OR one of their own factory models that get's the companies label and what ever else slapped on it. You buy low end name brand you're getting a fancy looking OEM in reality often enough. So by far a lesser known brand will blow them away easily.

Once in a while I'll spot a JVC or a Pioneer that is an exact copy of a pre-existing Sound Around(makers of Pyramid,etc) product. Thats because sound around owns their own manufacturing plants. I have actually contacted a manufacturer in the past about making a 12 inch woofer for guitar to my specs.

In the end they all use the same Auto CAD that was designed to design speakers and they are buying their supplies from the same distributors in the business.

Those guys selling you 5 grand in speakers would be out of business if they just came clean and admitted the truth but of course they won't. Honestly every industry is like this.

I build my own guitar gear and the industry is full of lies and myths. They actually word things to fool you and make it sound like something magical is going on and throw you off course. Meanwhile a basic principle you're already familiar with is at work and after translating their play on words it's like wtf??? Why didn't they just say it that way?
Because if they did ppl would catch on and go with a different product. One that may even be better for 1/3 the money.

This is exactly what goes on with tube amps and solid state tube emulation amps. It's just wrong.

Anyhow you can go Pyramid for speakers and amps and then go hella big on a head unit and everyone will be floored by your sound.
 
The Specs

I'm not certain but I would bet the xmax is the same.

I believe the all the specs are essentially the same, wattage included.

This is just the higher end model of the same speaker ....basically the other model would be a 9 on a 1 to 10 scale rating and this model breaks the scale being it's an 11.

That's the best way I can explain it.
 
hi:
I've just clicked over the "buy" button, in the 1286's sale. i wanted to ask you somethin you may know: are a pair of the wx120 better than a pair of the 1286's? I ask because a friend has got two of the wx120 on his trunk and they sound quite well.the box has been made with the specs I found here.
 
The wx120's

I've had quite a few woofers from the wx series but the 1286's will be better for thick,rich, hard hitting base.

The wx's seemed to have more volume than the 1286's, but not quite as much rumble power.

I have owned the wx120's when they were clear, semi-soft polypropylene. That series had excellent frequency bandwidth and produced mids equally as well as bass.

The new ones use a polypropylene that is like a hard shell. It is kind of an off egg shell white which is what it reminds me of up close. These speakers look and feel like you could punch one and it would survive.
They produce way more bass than the originals and far less midrange though it's response goes well into the midrange bandwidth.
The surround is of normal width HOWEVER, it is extra thick in density and full blown rubber smelling like brand new tires.
These are a great speaker and they should last a very long time.

I would still get the 1286's though. I am running one 1286 at 400 watts RMS with out my crossover. It produces plenty of volume and thump. Nothing compared to when I run both 1286's and my crossover though. Even at 200 watts RMS @ 2 ohms with a basic crossover these speakers hit hard.

I am very happy with these subs. My opinion is to run them at 400 watts RMS, just 100 watts RMS under what they can handle. Then I would get a Bass Line Driver. With that much wattage and the bass line driver not only working as a crossover but quadrupling the power of the signal, you should be able to rumble cars from a distance and even houses.

I would probably use a sealed box with these. I currently use a common duel 12 bandpass. I can tell the bass would be tighter, louder and hit harder in a smaller sealed box built to specs.

.......I would like to try the wx in 15's though since they would definitely hit really hard at that size and give a TON of volume. Then again the 1586's would hit harder and be more than loud enough.
 
kinda problem

bad news:
after a 21-day waiting, they didn`t arrive, so I bought 4 of the PW1086.waiting for them to arrive.now, y ask you something:
where can i find the Xmax, or, have you got it?


what is a bass line driver?(electronic device, enclosure, woofer)
 
4 pw1086's will most definitely blow away 2 1286's!

Man you are in for some devastating bass!
I have hear systems using 4 tens and regardless of brand they typically out bump everything unless you are in a pretty serious competition.

I do not have the specs for the Xmax on the PW series nor do I know where you can get it any more.

A line driver is an electronic device. You can buy a line driver which is for all speakers or a BASS driver.
What it does is increase the voltage strength of the audio signal being sent to the sub woofer amp. This gives you a tremendous increase in physical rumble power as well as volume.

Bass line drivers also offer you a greater amount of control over the bass signal. They work like a very sophisticated crossover.
Some look similar to crossovers, others look very fancy and flat out just bad *** looking.
Here's a link for a couple:
http://store.yahoo.com/millionbuy/visvbd30.html
http://www.ultimate-sounds.com/maaudio/linedrivers.htm
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/viewitem.php?id=1709

The first one is the cheapest yet is still rather nice.
Here is a really nice one and it is DIRT cheap:
http://www.usatvs.com/7135.html
Even with the cost of shipping it is almost $100 USD cheaper from this E-Store.

Anyway the 4 tens was a great idea.......I think I just may build the new box I've been wanting to and add 2 tens. 😀 Even with 4 speakers from the PW series in one box I'd still probably need a smaller box than the bandpass I now use.

The PW series are designed specifically to perform the best in a selaed enclosure.
No matter how good the performance of a bandpass, bandpass style or ported box, a sealed enclosure always gives the smoothest and most pleasing bass.
It's always very tight and when the right speaker is used the rumble power and sound quality/volume gets immaculate.

With 4 pw1086's in a sealed enclosure or enclosures you will have this quality and performance with plenty to spare!
 
well, thnx for your positive words.

aout the line drivers, it's almost impossible to find them here(arg).but , about somethin you said:

MrCheeks says: "When I use my independant crossover my volume power triples !
Eventually I would like to buy a bass driver which would give me so much power I could never ever put the volume of anywhere near full....with a normal crossover this is already happening."

I understand that of the Bass line driver, but the part of the independant crossover, ¿is it an active crossover before the amp?

and what about:" with a normal crossover this is already happening."

what does this mean?what is a normal X-O ?


hey, check out this:
what do you think about them(impartially)these are the only two I fond for around $100-90(pesos, not dollars)

this doees't look very much as a good x-o.

http://www.discountave.net/xrcrxrocelcr.html

this other is from pyramid(cr-65)

http://www.caraudiosupply.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=C&Product_Code=CR-65
 
YesI meant that the independant crossover was seperate from the one on the amplifier.

I own and use the Pyramid CR 65 Sub crossover and it is very nice.

Here it is for only $11 USD:
http://www.bsless.com/cr65.html

I am very happy with it.
I think you would get great results with it.
Crossovers should generally be pretty cheap unless they are something very fancy.

I am hoping to add an equalizer to my stereo. I want to get one with a subwoofer control and output. This way I can adjust my subwoofer from the dashboard.

I MIGHT one day buy this one from Pyramid:
http://www.bsless.com/760gx.html

Right now my amp is in my room in pieces because the volume control broke off. I can not get the EXACT same part but I can get one that will work. I will have to drill a hole in the plexi-glass top unfortunately.
 
Subwoofer Box Q

Hello:
wanted to ask you about this x-o(what you think about it)
It's the Boss AVA203A.(looks great, but i've got a little problem: this is a 3 Way X-O, and I have a 4 way system in mind(4 PW1086, a midbass[don't know which yet], a Horn[4"x10"], and a tweeter. the xo has got filters for the midbass, sub and highs, but not for the horns. do you suggest another additional xo?.

another thing: which box Q do you suggest me for the PW1086's, for maximum tight bass?

Thanks a lot
 
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