I didn't want to derail this thread https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/roo...usefulness-absorbtion-panels.html#post6384392 when answering post #4. So I'll ramble along here, for the sake of social research.
"We are after more enjoyable sound and not just numbers and graphs, right"
Who is "we"? Is there a common ground for the forum participants, something that turns a mass of people into a "we"?
Is that mass of people even a mass of people or more a mass of accounts?
Isn't for some the purpose to build and measure because their main interest is to achieve some spec?
Pictures or it didn't happen!! It's easy to post a graph but how do you proof you listened or proof you enjoyed listening? By posting a video of yourself listening while holding up a newspaper showing the date?
"We are after more enjoyable sound and not just numbers and graphs, right"
Who is "we"? Is there a common ground for the forum participants, something that turns a mass of people into a "we"?
Is that mass of people even a mass of people or more a mass of accounts?
Isn't for some the purpose to build and measure because their main interest is to achieve some spec?
Pictures or it didn't happen!! It's easy to post a graph but how do you proof you listened or proof you enjoyed listening? By posting a video of yourself listening while holding up a newspaper showing the date?
You "might" prove listening, ..... now ..... proving enjoyment? .... from not trusty to impossible.
Can you trust Porn stars moanings and cries of pleasure? 😱
TV/YT Chefs (glorified label for Cooks) "yummy!!!" , "delicious!" , etc. ? 😉
Not too different 😉
Thanks for the link. I see connections to the topic based on my own ideas. Would you mind spelling out what made you post that specific link and why you posted it without any further comment?
Oh, sometimes I underline to somebody that assesses that something measures good SO it sounds good, that sound cannot measured.
But it's a lost battle. So most of the times I quit.
Just the fact that sound is by definition descripted as a vectorial field, and measurements only capture the scalar part ( of whatever), that's a BIG misconception, availed by most...
So, why worry?
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But it's a lost battle. So most of the times I quit.
Just the fact that sound is by definition descripted as a vectorial field, and measurements only capture the scalar part ( of whatever), that's a BIG misconception, availed by most...
So, why worry?
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😉
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...like the standing waves that take place inside a speaker box...are you sure?
Standing waves inside a little box? I understand that they can happen in a room, but extending the concept to the speaker box is a little ...ehm, unhortodox 😡
Resonances oh, resonances
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Standing waves inside a little box? I understand that they can happen in a room, but extending the concept to the speaker box is a little ...ehm, unhortodox 😡
Resonances oh, resonances
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...just on the topic that you refer to, Mr. Fahey made the same relation to measurement>perception , but here he talks about pornstars moaning.
I get the fact that the argument is ridicolous to somebody
I get the fact that the argument is ridicolous to somebody
The worst moment is when when you realize there's no more beer.
Or sometimes that's the best moment.
Proof it's a moment.
Maybe a hybrid moment.
Or sometimes that's the best moment.
Proof it's a moment.
Maybe a hybrid moment.
Oh, my example was just one more "reductio ad absurdum" , to show the nonsense of some claims, by comparison.
Although in a more practical way, there *is* a correlation.
When claimant´s opinion is tied to making money out of it, there is a strong motive to, let´s say, "stretch the truth", to say it politely.
Can I blindly accept extraordinary claims by, say, a "wonder cable" maker when his monthly earnings fully depend on selling it at exaggerated price?
Although in a more practical way, there *is* a correlation.
When claimant´s opinion is tied to making money out of it, there is a strong motive to, let´s say, "stretch the truth", to say it politely.
Can I blindly accept extraordinary claims by, say, a "wonder cable" maker when his monthly earnings fully depend on selling it at exaggerated price?
Same as with pornography, that is selling a phantasie, the wonder cable peddler is selling a phantasie. The cable itself is not the product but carrier of that product.
I once read that in the porn industry, they have gallon buckets of the stuff, because the poor, tired actor cant possibly provide what the camera needs to capture in order to sell.
Likewise with words; some speak with gallon buckets of the stuff. I think you can innately tell when it's genuine, versus overly lathered on - one indication of probably falsehood.
Likewise with words; some speak with gallon buckets of the stuff. I think you can innately tell when it's genuine, versus overly lathered on - one indication of probably falsehood.
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