As shocking as this may sound Tinitus, i know the cap would accomplish this task, but as I said above, i know caps have audible effects, so not using them is ideal. I apologize if my trying to learn something is cumbersome to your reading. You do have the option of not reading. It is possible that others may have similar questions but are afraid to speak up due to more experienced members tendency to point out deficiencies in thinking. If i have worn out my time in this thread I will happily bow out and learn by smoking, as I have in most cases.
wow..I just thought others, like some newbies, it might be worth to notice and remember a cap, just in case..
but ouch...sorry about that
but ouch...sorry about that
catchin' Jaccogrumpitis ?
oh hush😀 Hey you still havent told me why my wide baffle is bad idea. Are you avoiding me. Do we have a problem
Sorry Tinitus. Its that time of the month.
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I'm havin' that time of month ........ for entire month
nuff with grumpin' da thread , will send you results and comments later tonight
I'm havin' that time of month ........ for entire month
nuff with grumpin' da thread , will send you results and comments later tonight
Something is obviously wrong because if you have 0mV at the preamp's output and 0mV at amp's input nothing should happen when connecting these two nodes. Retrace your steps and find the culprit.
Empirically. I know that high gm JFETs have zero tempco at Id somewhere around 70-90% of Idss and I set the Id in that region with 20R trim-pot in the JFET's source. Next thing to do is to fiddle that pot until you find the value where Id stays the same no matter if JFET is cold or hot (cold means you blow on it to cool it and hot means you touch it gently with soldering iron's tip).
If you have means to measure the gm/transfer curve of the JFET you'll find out that JFETs with matching curves have matching zero tempco points too.
For practical purposes, Idss matching, thermal coupling and and using a trim-pot in the circuit are sufficient.
Anyway, we all know that friends are there to have their benevolence abused from time to time but it would be nice to surprise them pleasantly once in a while by doing the homework, so a bit thicker skin and cheering up is all we need
If I had to guess, I would think it was may ground layout. Board layouts are a significant learning curve all by themselves.
I have a curve tracer that is o the blink, at the moment. Ill play around with it and see what I come up with. I used Rs of 10 on both source legs, with 200ohm pot in parallel, so i should be in same area as the 20omh pot you suggested. For me, the unknown is the BJT. I cut my short teeth on Jfets and Mosfets ad BJT's just seem like an alien in terms of operation.
Anyway, we all know that friends are there to have their benevolence abused from time to time but it would be nice to surprise them pleasantly once in a while by doing the homework, so a bit thicker skin and cheering up is all we need
hey is B1 ok matched with F5, or do you think i would need a Pre-amp
Sources, CD, Computer etc, i seem to remember the F5 not needing much more amplification, B1 is "class-a" right ? just need confirmation
Sources, CD, Computer etc, i seem to remember the F5 not needing much more amplification, B1 is "class-a" right ? just need confirmation
If you want to take advantage of the peak voltage levels available from the F5 then you need a source that can push out ~2.6Vac (~3.5Vpk)
Very few, if any, domestic sources can achieve that.
Very few, if any, domestic sources can achieve that.
The B1 "buffer" being unity gain, may work just fine with those sources, others may need more gain, that's what being discussed here. Personally I will be using this or something like it for a bit more gain than the B1 has to offer.
A Pearl 2 built stock with a 4mv+ moving magnet cartridge can drive the stock F5 just fine. Lower output cartridges or quieter CDs just don't have enough oomph.
F5 maximum Vpk
Hello, what is the maximum allowable input Vpk for F5, disregarding the output clip?
Thanks
Hello, what is the maximum allowable input Vpk for F5, disregarding the output clip?
Thanks
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with goal that semis are surviving ......... or not ?
if later - rock it babe ....... with MV !!
if later - rock it babe ....... with MV !!
with goal that semis are surviving ......... or not ?
if later - rock it babe ....... with MV !!
sorry ZM, my question was not clear 😀, of course with goal that the semis are surviving.
may be this one is more clearly:
What is the maximum allowable input Vpk for F5 without clipping the input stage's output, but disregarding the output stage clip.
tough question , really , only because there is no exact moment when input stage is going from linear to saturation/starving mode
why is that info really important ?
why is that info really important ?
Ok, finaly understood what the B1 is and does, say i integrated a B1 into same chassis as F5, but later on decided i wanted to add a pre-amp.
would it be possible to Pre-amp -> B1 -> F5
or is B1 supposed to be used alone ?
would it be possible to Pre-amp -> B1 -> F5
or is B1 supposed to be used alone ?
B1 is redundant , if using proper preamp
if preamp is having highish output impedance , then ( input-volume-less) B1 is welcome addition
if preamp is having highish output impedance , then ( input-volume-less) B1 is welcome addition
Each Source in the chain must be capable of driving the combined load of the Receiver and the cable connection to that Receiver.
If a Source can drive that complex load then a Buffer is not required.
Any equipment in the middle of the chain acts as both Receiver and transmitter.
For example a passive volume control has an input impedance value that equals the resistance of the track and to a smaller extent the upstream impedance of the next link/Receiver in the chain.
That same passive volume control also has an output impedance. This output impedance varies depending on the attenuation of the control. It can vary from zero ohms to approximately one quarter of the track resistance. Here too the Source feeding the passive pot has a small influence on the output impedance.
Now let's expand that Passive Pot.
Use a 100k dual track log law potentiometer.
Zin <= 100k This is an easy load for just about any Source. Add in a cable from Source to Vol pot. That cable has capacitance. The Source must drive both the cable capacitance and the 100k resistive load. There is a limit to how long that cable can be.
Now looking at the output side. Zout is 25k when the attenuator is set to -6dB.
Feed that into a 100k Zin of the next Receiver. No Problem if there is no cable and parasitic capacitance is designed to be very low.
Add in a cable interconnection and HF attenuation steps in to ruin the performance of the vol pot to receiver link.
High source impedance cannot properly drive cable capacitance of audio cables.
When the Source cannot properly drive the complex load of Zin+Cable then you must use a Buffer to improve the audio performance of the audio link.
From all of the above it should now dawn on you that the F5 does not need a Buffer in front of it. Read that again. If necessary read this whole post and it should become obvious.
If a Source can drive that complex load then a Buffer is not required.
Any equipment in the middle of the chain acts as both Receiver and transmitter.
For example a passive volume control has an input impedance value that equals the resistance of the track and to a smaller extent the upstream impedance of the next link/Receiver in the chain.
That same passive volume control also has an output impedance. This output impedance varies depending on the attenuation of the control. It can vary from zero ohms to approximately one quarter of the track resistance. Here too the Source feeding the passive pot has a small influence on the output impedance.
Now let's expand that Passive Pot.
Use a 100k dual track log law potentiometer.
Zin <= 100k This is an easy load for just about any Source. Add in a cable from Source to Vol pot. That cable has capacitance. The Source must drive both the cable capacitance and the 100k resistive load. There is a limit to how long that cable can be.
Now looking at the output side. Zout is 25k when the attenuator is set to -6dB.
Feed that into a 100k Zin of the next Receiver. No Problem if there is no cable and parasitic capacitance is designed to be very low.
Add in a cable interconnection and HF attenuation steps in to ruin the performance of the vol pot to receiver link.
High source impedance cannot properly drive cable capacitance of audio cables.
When the Source cannot properly drive the complex load of Zin+Cable then you must use a Buffer to improve the audio performance of the audio link.
From all of the above it should now dawn on you that the F5 does not need a Buffer in front of it. Read that again. If necessary read this whole post and it should become obvious.
Thankyou, i see a couple of Pre's mentioned here, anyone have a favored one or is there a favored one for the F5? i think i will need a little more gain.
Thanks AndrewT, i need to read your post couple times and take it in 🙂 is making sense tho!