Solid Snake said:
I didn't say I'm tired of DrG. His way of discussing things is much more intelligent than yours and when mistake is made he can gladly face it. I also enjoy his writing style a lot😉
Perhaps the main reason for you to be involved in that sort of discussion is because YOU don't feel special?
Peter Daniel:
And to take it further, if only for the sake of being facaetious and pedantic, you should be able to take your 512kB connection up to say 784kB by selecting the right kind and length of linking cable. Will wonders never cease?
Peter, this is perpetual motion stuff. My wife is a patent attorney and I cannot tell you how I've laughed my *** off at claims along these lines of reasoning. The power at the plug is the power at the plug. If it's crap quality I agree a UPS/conditioner will improve things. Must do. But a cord, ANY cord is simply going to pipe the crap quality power right into your gainclone, as efficiently or more so than cheapie twin-flex.
And forgive my directness (it's the only way I know how) but if you can truly and consistently hear the difference between 2' and 4' of any cable other than NiChrome wire, I'll eat the whole goddamned thing, plugs included! Because that would make you the 8th wonder of the world. And whatever you may be here and in Gaincloneland, you are not that...
Peter, I find this an astounding statement. No, make that mind-boggling! In essence you're saying it doesn't matter how much noise or interference there is on your phone line (Valid analogy? It is audio after all...) because as long as you have Peter Daniel Wunderkabel from the socket to your computer, you'll get a 100% 512b/w DSL connection no problem... or whatever dial-up/ISDN/Diginet link you use. This is EXACTLY what you're saying/implying. And it's nonsense! Moreover, it's nonsense that requires no analysis/double-blind testing to be glaringly and patently obvious to all and sundry...
And to take it further, if only for the sake of being facaetious and pedantic, you should be able to take your 512kB connection up to say 784kB by selecting the right kind and length of linking cable. Will wonders never cease?
Peter, this is perpetual motion stuff. My wife is a patent attorney and I cannot tell you how I've laughed my *** off at claims along these lines of reasoning. The power at the plug is the power at the plug. If it's crap quality I agree a UPS/conditioner will improve things. Must do. But a cord, ANY cord is simply going to pipe the crap quality power right into your gainclone, as efficiently or more so than cheapie twin-flex.
And forgive my directness (it's the only way I know how) but if you can truly and consistently hear the difference between 2' and 4' of any cable other than NiChrome wire, I'll eat the whole goddamned thing, plugs included! Because that would make you the 8th wonder of the world. And whatever you may be here and in Gaincloneland, you are not that...
Peter Daniel said:
That's exactly what I meant:
DrG said:
All I wanted to say is that the cord will make the same difference, doesn't matter the wiring in the wall.
And I was testing the cords with Aleph amps, not GC at the time.
I'm also not that particualar about PC. With the amps, I'm using whatever comes handy as I'm constantly changing the setups.
millwood said:
Sorry, don't have any concrete analysis. Which is why I didn't present it as a concerete fact. Equi=Tech might well have some concrete analysis seeing as their balanced power systems are intended to address just such issues.
As for myself, I'm getting completely away from AC power and I've used transformer-coupled inputs for many years so it hasn't been of such a concern for me to investigate it thoroughly.
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DrG said:
And I laugh my *** off when the patent office grants patents for perpetual motion machines. They seem to be rubber-stamping everything these days no matter how wild the claims.
You and your wife might get a laugh out of patent 5,487,057 granted to John Bedini for his "Bedini Clarifier" device. In the patent he not only claims but proves (using the same geometric logic that Captain Queeg used to figure out that there was a duplicate key and the mess boys stole the strawberries) that spinning a CD through a magnetic field not only compresses the data on the CD, but also rearranges it on the disc.
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Steve Eddy said:
the reason I asked is that I thought leakage between two wires can be easily simulated with a resistor (or a capacitor / industor network) and it is hard to believe such a thing will have a material impact on the sound, given that the leak takes place on the primary side of the transformer, and before the filters, and decent psrr on modern amps.
so what Equi-Tech has to say about why leakage is a concern?
Steve: The USPTO, like the South African Patents Office and most others worldwide is not an EXAMINING registration office. Which is to say that they are wholly unconcerned with the intellectual content, or lack of it. They just take money to attach an invention to your name. Whether or not it REALLY works or could ever exist is entirely secondary and irrelevant to their purpose viz. do paperwork, get money, don't ask questions.
Peter: You're pretty fast off the mark... I edited the post which you saw and quoted within seconds but whammo, you already replied... and missed the last paragraph. So I'll repeat: And forgive my directness (it's the only way I know how) but if you can truly and consistently hear the difference between 2' and 4' of any cable other than NiChrome wire, I'll eat the whole goddamned thing, plugs included! Because that would make you the 8th wonder of the world. And whatever you may be here and in Gaincloneland, you are not that...
Peter: You're pretty fast off the mark... I edited the post which you saw and quoted within seconds but whammo, you already replied... and missed the last paragraph. So I'll repeat: And forgive my directness (it's the only way I know how) but if you can truly and consistently hear the difference between 2' and 4' of any cable other than NiChrome wire, I'll eat the whole goddamned thing, plugs included! Because that would make you the 8th wonder of the world. And whatever you may be here and in Gaincloneland, you are not that...
I don't know if I can hear it consistantly, maybe it was just one of a better days.
But my observation was enough to choose the longer cable over the short one, I made specifically for that purpose. I told you I was not kidding😉
You can see a custom, dedicated, 30A line ( with 2 phases), coming out from the floor, to feed source components and right channel of amplification. The left channel has another dedicated line.
The clear plastic tubing is an air supply for floating table, used for CD transport.
But my observation was enough to choose the longer cable over the short one, I made specifically for that purpose. I told you I was not kidding😉
You can see a custom, dedicated, 30A line ( with 2 phases), coming out from the floor, to feed source components and right channel of amplification. The left channel has another dedicated line.
The clear plastic tubing is an air supply for floating table, used for CD transport.
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In my experience, the cables are give their "improving" effect to music is over 4 foot length...
On short cables you can not recognize well.
Peter Daniel:
If you can't hear it consistently or in a statistically significant trend, then YOU CAN'T HEAR IT period.
If you can't hear it consistently or in a statistically significant trend, then YOU MADE A RANDOM CHOICE! I wish you were kidding...
DrG said:
I'm not sure if you understood me correctly: I don't know if I can hear it consistantly, because I never tried it . I never tried it, because I don't care if I can hear it consistantly or not. I don't care, because it's not needed for me to know. I checked it once and it was all I wanted to know. Frankly, I would feel very uncomfortable if I would have to go through the consistency test process and I'm quite sure that my judgement would be affected by that discomfort.
In my experience, my best judgement is made when I don't even know, I have to judge (or draw a conclusion). I think I'm not alone in that way of thinking.
Yes, intuive thinking is the key to dicovery.
Peter, how long listening it takes before you judge if the sound is good or no.
Regards
Presently, I can do it in the first five minutes. I'm not really comparing the same passages over and over again or try to match the volume exactly, or switch instantly between sources.
I just play the familiar track and usually know right away if this is the signature I like or not. Sometimes, longer listening is needed to see if the voicing is on a bright side or is not too fatiguing.
This is the skill which I learned over a time, and there is nothing special about it. It's just like every thing else you use in your everyday life😉
I just play the familiar track and usually know right away if this is the signature I like or not. Sometimes, longer listening is needed to see if the voicing is on a bright side or is not too fatiguing.
This is the skill which I learned over a time, and there is nothing special about it. It's just like every thing else you use in your everyday life😉
My observations are that a change almost any component in audio chain makes sound differencies. But often these differencies change with time running (burn-in period). Sometimes things come back to state before the change. I would be rather careful judging in the first five minutes.
Although components burn in with time, the main signature remains the same. It is true that it may be risky to judge too quickly, but what can I do? Time is money😉
Peter Daniel said:
essentially, when you said you heard it, you were not sure that you heard it.
Having such a caveat in your statement would have been helpful.
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