Re: Re: As Easy As Riding A Bike...........
SO THAT'S THE GUY! You wouldn't happen to have his telephone number would you? I've been wanting to have a few words with him. The son of a ***** always seems to fire up that mower of his just when I'm settling in to listen to some tunes. 😀
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millwood said:
SO THAT'S THE GUY! You wouldn't happen to have his telephone number would you? I've been wanting to have a few words with him. The son of a ***** always seems to fire up that mower of his just when I'm settling in to listen to some tunes. 😀
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mrfeedback said:
I tried to put them on my interconnects, but didn't really listen at that time, as I didn't think I would be able to hear any difference. I just put them on, as Michael Percy recommended them.
That reminds me that I should try to evaluate them again, as I'm much better listener now, than I used to be 10 years ago😉
Regarding the spring suspention, I finally decided to implement them in my new CD transport. Just thought you might want to know, Eric😉
You mean like 'be sure brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear' ?.DrG said:
Apology gracefully accepted.
Eric.
Ferrite slugs - I found them to reduce RF etc induced graininess, but also to add another flavour that I don't like.Peter Daniel said:
I still have some hanging around and try them from time to time, but this reinforces my earlier findings.
Springs - Oh good, and be sure to tell us of your implementation and results.
Eric.
Peter Daniel said:
"friends"? with the amount of "respect" I have for you (and your ears), "friends" is too insignificant of a term.
Re: Re: Re: As Easy As Riding A Bike...........
the way you grossly mis-read my post it is not even funny, 🙂
Peter Daniel said:
the way you grossly mis-read my post it is not even funny, 🙂
millwood said:
I found this paragraph particularly pointing:
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Introduction
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing."
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams
The above could just as easily be re-phrased - for example ...
"I refuse to prove that my cables will make your system sound better", says the snake oil vendor, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, you will hear nothing."
The tenets of faith are an absolute requirement for many of the claims that are made for many (probably most) of the "esoteric" hi-fi additions that you will find everywhere on the web. There is no real information, technical, scientific or otherwise, and the only terms you will hear will be of a subjective nature - for example "solid, sparkling, sweet, musical" will be contrasted with "muffled, veiled, grainy, harsh" - the very selection of the words is designed to sway you to their position, preferably subconciously.
Hi,
Ah...here's where your good old tube guy comes in handy...tuned resonances.
Just as with tube PSs you have CLR or whatever imaginable variation of the theme. It does help to know which is which and in what order, doesn't it?
Cheers,😉
Ah...here's where your good old tube guy comes in handy...tuned resonances.
Just as with tube PSs you have CLR or whatever imaginable variation of the theme. It does help to know which is which and in what order, doesn't it?
Cheers,😉
Peter Daniel said:
All this is granted. And I have no problem with it whatsoever. Illusions are poweful and very often pleasant way for our brain to please itself. I, as anyone else on this planet, am prone to that.
Power of suggestion is not to be underestimated.
I know that amp that I've made would sound just the same even if I didn't put the thick anodized Al front plate, engraved and recessed name plate and sculptured handles (see pic). It only makes me feel better. I bought the LS7 preamp for mostly the same reason, 'cause in my eyes its simplistic stylish looks are beautiful. I also plonked 1K on piano palisander FINISH for my speakers - surely it doesn't make them sound one iota better.
But there's difference - I _know_ that those decisions are for the sake of stroking the artistic/subectivist ego in me. And I was careful to make sure that things do work properly *much* before nice looks come into the picture. There were some even nicer looking speakers, but they didn't sound as good. Ditto for the preamp. They have to be good OBJECTIVELY before any of the artifical sweeteners come to play.
Would a fancy looking power cord on the power amp do the same ? Perhaps.
Burn in power cords ? Well, now we're pushing it. 'Cause the engineer in me is starting to shout rather loudly and illusion is not all that pleasant anymore.
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Hi,
I'd agree, but don't forget this thread, as so many others has been sidetracked and derailed.
As an abstract thought:
If I/Cs require burn-in, amps require burn-in etc. Then, why not Pcs?
Too much of an abstraction?
Maybe but not unthinkable and after burn-in it;s just electrons as usual, or is it?
Cheers,😉
I'd agree, but don't forget this thread, as so many others has been sidetracked and derailed.
As an abstract thought:
If I/Cs require burn-in, amps require burn-in etc. Then, why not Pcs?
Too much of an abstraction?
Maybe but not unthinkable and after burn-in it;s just electrons as usual, or is it?
Cheers,😉
Why not indeed. But...er, how? Tell us Frank. Tell us "uneducated" people and other "morons" who find themselves "amassed like crickets" in this forum exactly how you burn in a power cord. Everybody's waiting in keen anticipation, with bated breath for you to reveal this universal secret. We need to know!
What physical aspect of your run-in PC differs from the non-run-in version, and in what way? Crystalline structure? Conductivity? Resistance? Capacitance? Inductance? Semiconductance? RF sensitivity? Diamagnetism? Dielectric strength? Insulation polymerization coefficient? What else is there and why can it not be measured?
And if we assume a perfect, PERFECT cord has been created by whatever means, tell us how this negates ALL the CRUMMY and totally UNCHANGED and UN-RUN-IN (is that a word?) aspects of the house-wiring and amp hook-up that goes before and after?
Perhaps your solid-core wunderkind PC projects a superconductive tachyon shield over all aspects of the power chain right from the hydroelectric generator... or can I expect another quasi-statistical, reverse-psychological answer such as "my wife can hear a difference" or "I don't expect you to believe me till you go try it for yourself".
Of you go Frank. The soapbox is yours. Educate me.
I don't think that the wire in the wall has anything to do with a sound of PC in a given setup. It certainly affects the sound of the whole system (the wiring in a wall) but doesn't take anything away or add to the sound of a PC.
Coming back to my previous claim of hearing the difference between 1' and 4 ' of the cord, I was experimenting with a UPS as a power conditioner for my digital front end. I was initially using a regular 16 ga PC (off the shelf) and later switched to 14 ga. I noticed improvement with the latter, so I wanted improve things even more and tried to make the cord as short as possible. I reduced the standard length to 1' or so and to my amazement the whole system sounded worse. I put back the longer cord.
I'm usually building my cords out of older speaker cables and they are better than the regular cords that come with the equipment. I noticed only once lack of a difference when switching cords and this was when I upgraded the cord on my CD transport. The DAC, OTOH, benefited substantially from a cord upgrade.
Changing for different cords is also very easily observed with amplifiers and I don't even have to use headphones to hear the difference right away.
With regards to quality of the line coming from utility company to the house, I might be in a very good situation, as few years ago they mounted the transformer on a pole right beside my driveway (because of new development in a neighborhood). The length of the wires from the pole to the entry point on the house isn't more than 40-50' and I just had the outside fuses replaced (as the voltage drop on neutral line was observed). In the house the length of the cable from the fuse box to the system is about 8 feet (ga 10 wire). The system runs on separate, 30 A line. How's that for the "aspects of the house-wiring and amp hook-up that goes before and after?"😉
Coming back to my previous claim of hearing the difference between 1' and 4 ' of the cord, I was experimenting with a UPS as a power conditioner for my digital front end. I was initially using a regular 16 ga PC (off the shelf) and later switched to 14 ga. I noticed improvement with the latter, so I wanted improve things even more and tried to make the cord as short as possible. I reduced the standard length to 1' or so and to my amazement the whole system sounded worse. I put back the longer cord.
I'm usually building my cords out of older speaker cables and they are better than the regular cords that come with the equipment. I noticed only once lack of a difference when switching cords and this was when I upgraded the cord on my CD transport. The DAC, OTOH, benefited substantially from a cord upgrade.
Changing for different cords is also very easily observed with amplifiers and I don't even have to use headphones to hear the difference right away.
With regards to quality of the line coming from utility company to the house, I might be in a very good situation, as few years ago they mounted the transformer on a pole right beside my driveway (because of new development in a neighborhood). The length of the wires from the pole to the entry point on the house isn't more than 40-50' and I just had the outside fuses replaced (as the voltage drop on neutral line was observed). In the house the length of the cable from the fuse box to the system is about 8 feet (ga 10 wire). The system runs on separate, 30 A line. How's that for the "aspects of the house-wiring and amp hook-up that goes before and after?"😉
I don't doubt the fact that you can make a system sound good. Many people can. What I'm arguing with you about is what actually makes a difference. Maybe your system sounds good with a fancy power cord, what if it sounds good with a plain one? The difference between you and I is that I'm willing to bet my life that you couldn't score much more than 50% on a blind A/B test. Are you willing to bet yours?
And perhaps peter you are tired of people like myself and DrG but that is because it makes people like you feel special to claim you can hear what you cannot. It's almost as if you claim you can hear individual electrons. All of you fail to recognize that the end of your amplifier's circuit is not the power cord, or your house, or your entire block, not unless you have a hydro plant in your back yard.
I have a variable AC supply at home that I can adjust from 0-150vac. I can run my amplifier (which I have designed and built using common sense) while turning the variac's knob and it yields no difference. At lower voltages, the amplifier is hungry for more current but other than that it runs great.
As far as PC as antennas go, have you forgotten about your house wiring?
You want to believe things you know are wrong. I'm for the seperation of audio and religion but you high priests of audio voodoo always get worked up when someone presents you with the obvious.
It is people like you that give hi-fi a bad name. Car audio is progressing so much faster than home audio because car people look at science, math and physics and you look at voodoo and play with power cords.
Solid Snake said:
Bet your life? Jeeeez Louise, this is audio for crying out loud!
But if you want to bet your life, it's yours to bet. However let me just say that simple leakage current differences between two power cords could very well be sufficient to produce an audible difference in system noise which would allow differentiation between the two power cords in a blind A/B test.
You still willing to put your life on the line here? Personally I'd recommend saving your life for something a bit more noble.
What makes you think he knows it's wrong? He tries some different power cords and perceives a difference. You twiddle the knob on your Variac and perceive none. Why are you so absolutely sure that you're right and he's wrong? And why should he know he's wrong any less than you know you're right?
As for religion, I see examples of it on both sides of the fence.
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So far, we can not detect any signal of existence other intelligence in the Universe. Is this prove that there is not any?
No science without words: ‘ may be’
No science without words: ‘ may be’
jarek said:
did you hear scientists claiming they heard other intelligence in the universe? I didn't.
Maybe that's the differrence between those claiming to be able to hear the unheardable and those studying the existence of ET?
Steve Eddy said:
I would like to see some concrete analysis as to at what level leakage current will be audible and if ordinary PCs have such levels of leakage.
This has to be the most ridiculous thing ever stated on this forum.
Talk about an industry driven (no pun intended) by hype, and utter nonsense, car audio takes the prize.
And the guy who designed some of the most important productsever, is giving it a bad name.
Grow up, sonny..........
Jocko
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