Anyone wanna bet the wife liked the song and the volume was a tad higher than the last time she heard it?
Try it... with the same (wimpy multistrand, 2c/ft, contaminated copper) power cord. Results guaranteed PaleRider!
fdegrove said:
that number pales in comparison to the number of people who believe that deadmen talk.
men with golden ears
they hear a lot of things that we mere mortals do not....someone even said you have to break-in your tube pre amp for 100hours before it will sound better...while another said you have to break in your cd, it will sound better after several uses...oh my!!!!
they hear a lot of things that we mere mortals do not....someone even said you have to break-in your tube pre amp for 100hours before it will sound better...while another said you have to break in your cd, it will sound better after several uses...oh my!!!!
I think it's important that everyone keep an open mind and consider the possibility, and indeed likelihood, that changing a power cord on a piece of audio gear has no effect whatsoever on its performance, assuming the cord is adequate to the current demands placed on it.
Hi,
Hell, yes....Let's all go to the mall and buy the same Japanese system and not look back.
If it measures the same it therefore must sound the same, right?
Guess you all look the same too...
I wonder what some of you are doing here anyway?
Go waste somebody else's time for a change or get your lazy bums out of that chair and do something useful.
Some people do have systems that reveal even the smallest of changes....
Work for it to get yourself one of those, than talk instead of dismissing things you haven't got the foggiest idea about.
Cheers,
Hell, yes....Let's all go to the mall and buy the same Japanese system and not look back.
If it measures the same it therefore must sound the same, right?
Guess you all look the same too...
I wonder what some of you are doing here anyway?
Go waste somebody else's time for a change or get your lazy bums out of that chair and do something useful.
Some people do have systems that reveal even the smallest of changes....
Work for it to get yourself one of those, than talk instead of dismissing things you haven't got the foggiest idea about.
Cheers,
Hi,
That's actually too funny....
My reaction to some people here is a strong middle finger, something I thought I'd never had to resort to...
Why does this forum amass morons as if they were crickets???
Deep, deep sigh...
That's actually too funny....
My reaction to some people here is a strong middle finger, something I thought I'd never had to resort to...
Why does this forum amass morons as if they were crickets???
Deep, deep sigh...
The only morons around here are you, Frank and also mrfeedback et al who would try to sell to the unititiated the unsubstantiated, scientifically unproven, snake-oil idea that magical musical improvements are to be had by weaving a wondrous solid-core power cable. This is total bull and I think you know it.
Please don't give us lame-***, anecdotal and unscientific garbage about how your best buddy, wife or great aunt Matilda could even realise the cathartic effects of your copper cook-outs. Bring science and measurable/comparable/credible results using instruments or standardised double-blind tests. If you can't do this then retreat quietly to cloud-cuckooland with your minisculy-discerning and galactically analytic system and believe whatever makes you happy.
And as far as your middle finger goes, try pulling it out of your left ear for a bit. That'll improve your music more than any cable...
Please don't give us lame-***, anecdotal and unscientific garbage about how your best buddy, wife or great aunt Matilda could even realise the cathartic effects of your copper cook-outs. Bring science and measurable/comparable/credible results using instruments or standardised double-blind tests. If you can't do this then retreat quietly to cloud-cuckooland with your minisculy-discerning and galactically analytic system and believe whatever makes you happy.
And as far as your middle finger goes, try pulling it out of your left ear for a bit. That'll improve your music more than any cable...
Hi,
It would seem X-rays aren't all that healthy in the long run....
For what it's worth, no one's trying to sell anything other than the idea that altered materials could alter perceived sonic results.
So far nothing all that far fetched in my book...
Proof is fine with me, but when my little students don't want to listen what good does it do?
As for solid core as opposed to multi strand wires, does the concept of microphony mean anything to you?
Guess not.😉
I must say that for a doctor you seem incredibly rude and uneducated...
In fact the most rude member of this forum I have the misfortune to know.
Cheers, 😉
It would seem X-rays aren't all that healthy in the long run....
For what it's worth, no one's trying to sell anything other than the idea that altered materials could alter perceived sonic results.
So far nothing all that far fetched in my book...
Proof is fine with me, but when my little students don't want to listen what good does it do?
As for solid core as opposed to multi strand wires, does the concept of microphony mean anything to you?
Guess not.😉
I must say that for a doctor you seem incredibly rude and uneducated...
In fact the most rude member of this forum I have the misfortune to know.
Cheers, 😉
DrG is 100% right. If you have no proof, no measurements, not even a reason as to why something should sound better, then don't even say it. Don't talk about "perceived" sonic results because we really don't care about what's going on in your head while under the influence of a $1500 power cord. If you can show me RMS, THD or other figures to justify your claims, show them. Wake up, there is no magic in electronics. It's all figures and numbers. There is no quality that cannot be quantified, get used to it. Funny that those who claim to have golden ears bring no measurements to the table, only "my wife said" and "makes a difference".
Frank, I'm with you. If these folks have never tried anything, why should they discuss it? Or criticise others who have listened for themselves? We don't know exactly 'why' many effects occur, BUT we have to deal with them, just the same. When we want to 'win' a listening contest at, for example, CES, etc. , we break in EVERYTHING, including power cords and interconnects. It is the only way that we know to get ahead of the crowd, sonically, besides bringing our best efforts to the show as well. Heck, everyone wants good sound, but attention to details makes a big difference.
Hi,
True. Yet there are plenty of perceived differences that haven't been quantified yet...
Think about it, twenty years ago a resistor was a resistor and nothing else. Same goes for a capacitor....
Nowadays most people accept that there are differences, measurable? Maybe. Audible? Yes.
Why is it so difficult to accept a PC can make a difference?
It often takes many years for science to catch up, it was like this in the past and it's not likely to change any day soon.
That's how evolution theory works and it won't change overnight.
Cheers,😉
True. Yet there are plenty of perceived differences that haven't been quantified yet...
Think about it, twenty years ago a resistor was a resistor and nothing else. Same goes for a capacitor....
Nowadays most people accept that there are differences, measurable? Maybe. Audible? Yes.
Why is it so difficult to accept a PC can make a difference?
It often takes many years for science to catch up, it was like this in the past and it's not likely to change any day soon.
That's how evolution theory works and it won't change overnight.
Cheers,😉
Solid Snake said:
And why's that?
There are people on this forum who don't care about measurements and hard facts, but prefer to walk on the wild side and take things as they come. Some of those things work and some not, but at least they have enough courage to try them out.
OTOH, people with your attitude, cause only trouble.
Hi,
Thank you very much, John.
You summ (one or two mms?), LOL...it up quite nicely.
Not so long ago SY tried solid core PCs in his system and reported back; he didn't perceive any difference. That's perfectly fine with me, I respect that.
Saying on the other hand that I, or others, have to actually prove what we hear scientifically is just wishful leaching on your/their part.
Let them do the hard work for a change is my gut reaction, I don't care if I'm morally right or wrong, I KNOW I'm right.
There IS proof of difference, whether it's better or not is totally subjective.
Cheers,😉
Thank you very much, John.
You summ (one or two mms?), LOL...it up quite nicely.
Not so long ago SY tried solid core PCs in his system and reported back; he didn't perceive any difference. That's perfectly fine with me, I respect that.
Saying on the other hand that I, or others, have to actually prove what we hear scientifically is just wishful leaching on your/their part.
Let them do the hard work for a change is my gut reaction, I don't care if I'm morally right or wrong, I KNOW I'm right.
There IS proof of difference, whether it's better or not is totally subjective.
Cheers,😉
Hi Frank,fdegrove said:
It was a few more years that. It was back in 1980 when Walt Jung had his article in Audio mag. on "Picking Capacitors", and about that same time that Nelson Pass wrote his piece on cables in one os the first issues of Speaker Builder. Point is, this same debate has been on-going for decades. Maybe not on power cords per-se, but the sound of components in general.
I think what a lot of people fail to recognize (or refuse to) is the power of the human ear to extract information from complex signals. This information is lost in the noise of measuring instuments or unmeasureable because of the complexity of the signal. I also believe there's more that we can't measure in sound reproduction than what we can measure.
You can ponder and knit-pick about the sound of components but what if we put you to the test? Are you willing to go through blind A/B testing? Can you hear a difference between power cords, resistors, solder? That seems to be the only way you will cease to insist.
DOUBLE BLIND DEAF...
Hi,
Guess it's as easy for me or anyone else to say yes or no...
Been there ages ago and yes, I did hear the difference but what's that mean to you?
Why is it so hard for anyone to accept the obvious?
Let me put it this way, imagine you were the participant of a test that goes beyond your well indoctrinated beliefs, you hear the difference between item A and B....
Scientifically and with all the well established education you have enjoyed, this doesn't make any sense to you, yet you're convinced you heard it.
Now, what do you do?
Do you really think others and myself started out any other way??
No, we just put our beliefs aside and listened again and again untill we were quite comfortable we were not daydreaming after all; that's how it started...
So, do yourself, not us, a favour and listen,😉
Hi,
Guess it's as easy for me or anyone else to say yes or no...
Been there ages ago and yes, I did hear the difference but what's that mean to you?
Why is it so hard for anyone to accept the obvious?
Let me put it this way, imagine you were the participant of a test that goes beyond your well indoctrinated beliefs, you hear the difference between item A and B....
Scientifically and with all the well established education you have enjoyed, this doesn't make any sense to you, yet you're convinced you heard it.
Now, what do you do?
Do you really think others and myself started out any other way??
No, we just put our beliefs aside and listened again and again untill we were quite comfortable we were not daydreaming after all; that's how it started...
So, do yourself, not us, a favour and listen,😉
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