People just cannot relax and enjoy the last couple of years of relative liberty. The self driving, centrally controlled cars are coming with absolute certainty, especially now that Musk is unencumbered with distractions.
My opinion is that it's all a matter of proportions.
This is why overpopulation of cities plays a crucial role and personal freedom acquires a new and different value.
If yesterday there were one hundred speeding or drunk driving violations, now there are ten thousand.
A remedy must be found.
But I don't know if the one indicated is the right one.
Every "remedy" will only work for good people, while criminals or fat cats or powerful people will use the usual ways to elude the system and not respect the laws.
I have been and am a staunch supporter of personal freedom, but if fifty years ago you threw away an old bicycle in the countryside, the environmental damage existed but it wasn't such as to seem worrying.
Instead, today it is like this.
I find is abhorrent that we keep this thread going knowing that three innocent children were murdered by a coward driver who cared more about his emotional adrenaline than others lives. Please take a moment to think of how Boyd, Eloise, Andrea, and Matilda's last moments in this world felt. Just children and a mother who were headed home to see their families. Crushed by a car driving 120mph, trapped in a metal wreckage, begging to be held by a loved one as they felt the pain and suffering of an extreme car wreck and death slowly crushed upon their bodies. Stand next to them as they suffer. Give them comfort as their life fades. Tell them how you'll be there for them through the end. Tell them how you'll protect them as their families cannot. Give them your comfort as they die in your arms begging for their mothers to hold them. Can not a single one of you acknowledge the reality of why this thread even exists? Not a single word of empathy. Not a single word of compassion. Not a single word of love. Shameful.
Local misery far away makes for general comments. Normally people feel strong(er) emotions when it happens nearby or when it hits their circle. A part of emotional survival is to keep ones circle small.
When it is on the news that 80 people died in Ukraine they don’t blink an eye. Besides that many can not or do not want to share emotions on a public technical website.
When it is on the news that 80 people died in Ukraine they don’t blink an eye. Besides that many can not or do not want to share emotions on a public technical website.
It is Profiguys thread on electronic speed limiting because of some local new regulation and that he sees it as too much control on peoples lives.
The reason is clear. There is no need to describe the terrible things that happened in detail as most grownups can relate to or imagine loss and suffering. The further away the more easy it is to ignore. Survival. Deal with death and illness and you’ll see many just are happy that it is not them that are in your shoes.
The reason is clear. There is no need to describe the terrible things that happened in detail as most grownups can relate to or imagine loss and suffering. The further away the more easy it is to ignore. Survival. Deal with death and illness and you’ll see many just are happy that it is not them that are in your shoes.
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I wasn't aware of it, and comprehending it is another thing entirely.
My apologies. I got a little worked up seeing what I assumed was such ignorance about the poor kids who died. I'm better now as I can recognize I'm signifincantly biased. I shall stop posting and just watch. Ignore my ignorance please. Totally emotion based. Deep breaths have helped. I thought this thread was about the BEAM Act, but realize it no longer is related at all to that now.
If you are a member of a community and you knowingly act in a way that is detrimental/dangerous to the other members of that community then you have by your deliberate/wilfull actions become excess to the requirements of that community and you should be 'removed' from that community.
If you use drugs (alcohol is a narcotic) and injure or kill someone on the road or in the workplace then that is not an accident - you have committed an avoidable crime. I always take a look online at my old hometown newspaper back in the UK and there was a death of a local motor cyclist in another part of the country. It was a narrow country road, in open country and impossible for the van driver not to see the m/cyclist in front of him. He killed him, he was 34 years old. The driver was using drugs, it doesn't say which one, irrelevant and was 50 years old. To me that is simply murder - you take a life - you lose your life. He will go to prison at great expense to tax payers - approx. £8,000 per week and what is really disgusting he will not be banned for life, so will be able to drive when he is released.
Birdbox mentioned the three young children that died terrible deaths - never got a chance to live their lives - the horror that will stay with their family and all who knew them and their murderer will get to live the rest of his life - law is nothing, justice will not be served but the lawyers will make money.
If you use drugs (alcohol is a narcotic) and injure or kill someone on the road or in the workplace then that is not an accident - you have committed an avoidable crime. I always take a look online at my old hometown newspaper back in the UK and there was a death of a local motor cyclist in another part of the country. It was a narrow country road, in open country and impossible for the van driver not to see the m/cyclist in front of him. He killed him, he was 34 years old. The driver was using drugs, it doesn't say which one, irrelevant and was 50 years old. To me that is simply murder - you take a life - you lose your life. He will go to prison at great expense to tax payers - approx. £8,000 per week and what is really disgusting he will not be banned for life, so will be able to drive when he is released.
Birdbox mentioned the three young children that died terrible deaths - never got a chance to live their lives - the horror that will stay with their family and all who knew them and their murderer will get to live the rest of his life - law is nothing, justice will not be served but the lawyers will make money.
Since July last year all cars sold new in Europe need to have a speed limiter built in. This combines GPS mapping and sign reading so the car will naturally not go above the speed limit. It needs a good shove of the accelerator to bypass that if required. All cars for years have had cameras to read the speed signs. My Wife's car gets it wrong often enough that I am not sure how well the new system will work in practice. My concern is that it is another thing that will stop drivers paying attention. Until true self driving is in place drivers need to pay attention.
Personal freedom is a difficult and nuanced debate. Not one to have on forum.
Personal freedom is a difficult and nuanced debate. Not one to have on forum.
"they" control our life because dumb *** arent capable to control their own , total freedom doesnt exist in society , there is a price to pay for being "safe" in society ,othewise it is jungle with it's own laws , its up to you ....
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Yes.
Probably not on an emotional level.
My opinion is that otherwise those who emphasize the emotional aspect of a matter on a forum run the risk of appearing to think their emotions are above everything else.
I couldn't agree with this.
Even though I feel similar emotions.
I also think that on a forum if you put aside the emotional aspect of a matter you can talk about any legal topic.
About personal freedom, as well as any other one.
After all, these are only ideas and opinions.
My car has some serious problems to properly reconize the panels, the maximum speeds are very often wrong. So we have to pay a lot of people in order to set up and maintain the limitations specifications for each sections of all roads, it is not financially sustainable whithout raising the taxes significantly.
The cost will be totally prohibitive, people shoud stay on earth.
But if you want to pay me for that, i'm ok, i'm lazy to be urged by idiots everytime i use my car, and also for those who debates of the immaginary invented problems of an irrealisable technological solution that have nerver been tested.
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Mine seems to read the signs 100%. Even gets to ignore the ones fro trucks only. The only speed limiter is manual. It does warn you if you exceed the limit by 3mph, but you can turn that off.
you are lucky/looks like the tech has finally been improved. I've seen mine show 110 in a 30 zone and when changing motorway stay at the 40MPH posted for the cloverleaf junction when back onto national limit.
Having grown up and lived in the US and Europe, I've seen both sides of the fence. I can honestly say both styles of upbringing have impressed me in various ways. I've seen corruption affect both countries and their values. As a child of the cold war, there were things which impressed me. You would have needed to be there to understand how different forms of social conditioning impact people in different predictable and unpredictable ways. When you're told what employment to choose, food to eat, ways to act, music to listen to, etc, this changes your personal beliefs of how important freedom of choice is. When Chernobyl blew up, we weren't told until the fallout was already above us. You can maybe understand now why i feel strongly about having my personal vehicle limited in speed. There are certain scenarios where it is safer to evade a situation on the road using more speed. This isnt a cheap excuse for opposing the automatic limiting of speed. This is about exercising your own sense of judgement and discipline, doing what you believe is right for any given situation. Its a similar situation when someone threatens your life and you have no other choice than to wait for first responders to possibly save you from an enemy ready to ruin or take your life.
I drive reasonably priced, sensible vehicles and I dont drive like the other fish swimming up stream. Ive been accident free for my whole entire life, but now have to let Cancer do what it will, telling me how long I get to be around. I've never drank recreationally, smoked or used illicit drugs. Driving above the speed limit or being able to do so isn't going to kill anyone directly. You can still drive your car into a densely pedestrian occupied area and kill them. No speed limiting needed for this and if you believe additional sensors are able to control this, you're completely off base. My wife's Subaru has lane control, radar guided cruise control and other safety nannies which distract you when they don't read the road correctly. Insurance companies give you a discount with these so called safety features, but in reality they are a hindrance and distraction. They also give most people a false sense of confidence.
I learned to drive in a country without speed limits on some freeways. The accident rates are lower in Germany than they are in the US on the freeways and in general. That's down to education and training, not unreasonable lawmaking which intrudes into your life. GPS based Speed limiting is also able to be abused by law enforcement. You can already shut down any OnStar equipped GM vehicle if you're law enforcement. I drive vehicles without GPS assisted driver "aids". I alao drive with the flow of traffic and anyone who sticks out usually gets nicked, as these are the typical offenders. My everyday vehicle is capable of 160+ mph but that doesn't mean I drive wrecklessly. It only takes one car jacking attempt to condition you to understand that there are situations where its appropriate to drive offensively. Give me the ticket in the aftermath but don't take my ability to remove myself from the dangerous situation.
And lastly, not all drug addicts start out as criminals, neither should they be categorized as such. That is an extremely ignorant POV.
I drive reasonably priced, sensible vehicles and I dont drive like the other fish swimming up stream. Ive been accident free for my whole entire life, but now have to let Cancer do what it will, telling me how long I get to be around. I've never drank recreationally, smoked or used illicit drugs. Driving above the speed limit or being able to do so isn't going to kill anyone directly. You can still drive your car into a densely pedestrian occupied area and kill them. No speed limiting needed for this and if you believe additional sensors are able to control this, you're completely off base. My wife's Subaru has lane control, radar guided cruise control and other safety nannies which distract you when they don't read the road correctly. Insurance companies give you a discount with these so called safety features, but in reality they are a hindrance and distraction. They also give most people a false sense of confidence.
I learned to drive in a country without speed limits on some freeways. The accident rates are lower in Germany than they are in the US on the freeways and in general. That's down to education and training, not unreasonable lawmaking which intrudes into your life. GPS based Speed limiting is also able to be abused by law enforcement. You can already shut down any OnStar equipped GM vehicle if you're law enforcement. I drive vehicles without GPS assisted driver "aids". I alao drive with the flow of traffic and anyone who sticks out usually gets nicked, as these are the typical offenders. My everyday vehicle is capable of 160+ mph but that doesn't mean I drive wrecklessly. It only takes one car jacking attempt to condition you to understand that there are situations where its appropriate to drive offensively. Give me the ticket in the aftermath but don't take my ability to remove myself from the dangerous situation.
And lastly, not all drug addicts start out as criminals, neither should they be categorized as such. That is an extremely ignorant POV.
I forgot to write that my road that have speed changes every 30m have no panels, it is 100% dumb.
You do understand how much false judgment you place on me by stating I'm un-emphatic? The world is easy to classify and approach as black-and-white. I've lost a few friends in a single motor vehicle accident. They were all passengers in a car guided by an (unknowingly) entoxicated driver. He was the only survivor in the accident. I had to figure out how to forgive this person while mourning the death of the others.
When you look at what happened in 911, its very clear the terrorists won. Our lives in the US have become a permanent state of being monitored and surveilled. There is little sense of privacy out in public with the sea of cameras constantly watching, guided by facial recognition software sensing people's intentions. This is what other countries use to socially engineer their population, placing a grade on your behavior and restricting your life accordingly.
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