I just saw this in an article and its pretty disturbing. If you live in Washington State, in the US, this is going to become your new reality. They're going to cap your speed on your car via GPS. This is just wrong on so many levels. Some of you may not care but I feel this is clearly too much control over our lives.
https://unionrayo.com/en/speed-limit-control-beam/
https://unionrayo.com/en/speed-limit-control-beam/
As always it pays to check the "news" from multiple sources, including some more credible ones:
https://komonews.com/news/local/was...house-bill-1596-dangerous-drivers-accountable
https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/article306599066.html
It turns out only drivers convicted of going above the speed limit "in a dangerous manner" that will have the speed limiting devices installed. That's very similar to the breathalyzer ignition locks installed in cars of folks convicted of driving under the influence (DUI).
There should be consequences for breaking the law, in particular when it involves a threat to human life.
Tom
https://komonews.com/news/local/was...house-bill-1596-dangerous-drivers-accountable
https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/article306599066.html
It turns out only drivers convicted of going above the speed limit "in a dangerous manner" that will have the speed limiting devices installed. That's very similar to the breathalyzer ignition locks installed in cars of folks convicted of driving under the influence (DUI).
There should be consequences for breaking the law, in particular when it involves a threat to human life.
Tom
I suspected it was a bit stretched, but its still a step in the wrong direction IMO. Alot of these initiatives end up causing other issues.
I agree with the concept, but the implementation is more complicated, unfortunately. Some folks don't seem to have a learning curve as is demonstrated by multiple convictions of the same crime (in this case, driving). I am on the fence about this sort of technology, yet if it became a traffic stop, then severe consequences are more my thinking. Too often, the traffic stop ends up becoming a chase and that is almost worse than the original crime. I could go back and forth about an issue like this, but I will say that in the cases where someone is victimized, I strongly feel that they should have a say in the final penalty.
The 'B.E.A.M.' act was created and named for the three young children and mother (Boyd "Buster" Brown, 12, Eloise Wilcoxson, 12, Andrea Hudson, 38, and Matilda Wilcoxson, 13) who were killed by a 19-year-old who had multiple prior reckless driving incidents/accidents leading up to the fatal crash. This act was created and passed out of compassion and empathy. Let's not forgot why it was created and who it's directed at (not everyday law abiding citizens).
In my humble opinion it feels like an extremely fair approach to allow the court system to protect you and I from repeat reckless drivers. It has a time limit based on how many convictions an individual has as part of their probation, it's not unlimited. I personally wish that the courts had the authority to just take away the car of the convicted persons (repeat DUI and reckless drivers) permanently, however this doesn't seem to be feasible.
This accident happened just a few miles from where I live, so it hits home having a little child I want to see grow up healthy and happy. The acts very purpose is to use a newer technology to make our world safer from gross offenders of the law, and if it proves effective over time (such as the breathalyzer ignition locks have shown to be), then it will certainly be adopted widely as a possible response to protect us all from convicted repeat reckless speeders/drivers. Self-driving cars that will follow the speed limits will occur well before "speed limiters" are put in every car that rolls off a production line. Speed limits exist for a reason. Of the over 40,000 people killed in the USA from car accidents each year, the number one cause (~30%) of those deaths is due to excessive speed. If you don't want a car that has lane alerts, backup cameras, and automatic braking, you can still buy cars without those features.
Even though this isn't an audio related thread, I felt I should post because this specific fatal crash that occurred just down the road from me has kept me up at night at times over the past year, and has led to me driving differently as I approach and go through intersections with extra caution (looking both ways and hovering over the brake as I come to the intersection even with a green light).
Let's not let this thread turn into some debate driven by the emotion of fear, and instead take a moment to focus on empathy and compassion, particularly for the families who have lost precious loved ones due to others who recklessly break the law. Try to put yourself in their shoes. The victims’ families openly forgave the criminal in this case in court, and still relentlessly pursued helping create this law in the memory of their precious lost children and loved ones. Take some time an energy to imagine what they are going through every single day.
Maybe it would be best to just close this thread as the original poster started it due to a significant misunderstanding of the intent of the B.E.A.M. act.
As Yoda so wisely said, “Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.” The world could use a lot more empathy that leads to kindness, kindness that leads to compassion, and compassion that leads to love.
In my humble opinion it feels like an extremely fair approach to allow the court system to protect you and I from repeat reckless drivers. It has a time limit based on how many convictions an individual has as part of their probation, it's not unlimited. I personally wish that the courts had the authority to just take away the car of the convicted persons (repeat DUI and reckless drivers) permanently, however this doesn't seem to be feasible.
This accident happened just a few miles from where I live, so it hits home having a little child I want to see grow up healthy and happy. The acts very purpose is to use a newer technology to make our world safer from gross offenders of the law, and if it proves effective over time (such as the breathalyzer ignition locks have shown to be), then it will certainly be adopted widely as a possible response to protect us all from convicted repeat reckless speeders/drivers. Self-driving cars that will follow the speed limits will occur well before "speed limiters" are put in every car that rolls off a production line. Speed limits exist for a reason. Of the over 40,000 people killed in the USA from car accidents each year, the number one cause (~30%) of those deaths is due to excessive speed. If you don't want a car that has lane alerts, backup cameras, and automatic braking, you can still buy cars without those features.
Even though this isn't an audio related thread, I felt I should post because this specific fatal crash that occurred just down the road from me has kept me up at night at times over the past year, and has led to me driving differently as I approach and go through intersections with extra caution (looking both ways and hovering over the brake as I come to the intersection even with a green light).
Let's not let this thread turn into some debate driven by the emotion of fear, and instead take a moment to focus on empathy and compassion, particularly for the families who have lost precious loved ones due to others who recklessly break the law. Try to put yourself in their shoes. The victims’ families openly forgave the criminal in this case in court, and still relentlessly pursued helping create this law in the memory of their precious lost children and loved ones. Take some time an energy to imagine what they are going through every single day.
Maybe it would be best to just close this thread as the original poster started it due to a significant misunderstanding of the intent of the B.E.A.M. act.
As Yoda so wisely said, “Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.” The world could use a lot more empathy that leads to kindness, kindness that leads to compassion, and compassion that leads to love.
There is no "right" to drive a car on public roads funded by our taxes. You must pass a driver's test, purchase a driver's license, purchase a registration and plates for your car, pay sales tax when you purchase your car, purchase insurance
as required by your state, obey all laws while driving including being sober and paying proper attention.
Driving is a privilege which must be earned, and is not a right.
I have always obeyed the speed limit and other road signs, and get angry when other drivers pass me going 20-30 mph or more above the speed limit, risking the lives of passengers, me, and others on the road. I would definitely support actively limiting the speed of cars on the road, as well as much higher penalties for DUI.
as required by your state, obey all laws while driving including being sober and paying proper attention.
Driving is a privilege which must be earned, and is not a right.
I have always obeyed the speed limit and other road signs, and get angry when other drivers pass me going 20-30 mph or more above the speed limit, risking the lives of passengers, me, and others on the road. I would definitely support actively limiting the speed of cars on the road, as well as much higher penalties for DUI.
Same but with the addition of limiting engines to normal useful power and acceleration (definitely also for e-cars). All in freedom of course but please weed out the extremes. Racing should be done on race tracks, not on public roads.
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Are you relly prone to think that it is technically possible ?
On the road in front of me the speed limitation is changing every 30 meters from 30-50-80Km/h, technically IMPOSSIBLE.
On the road in front of me the speed limitation is changing every 30 meters from 30-50-80Km/h, technically IMPOSSIBLE.
Yeah it is perfectly possible to not sell or let 6.3 liter AMGs to 20 years olds so to couple the maximum engine power to age in classes. They did such with motorcycles here and it works pretty well for literally everyone involved.
A car drivers license coupled to maximum allowed engine displacement/Nm/kW and electronic power restriction system when the driver exhibits reckless driving, repeated speeding etc. For the people possibly getting hurt/killed prevention seems a better method than punishing the driver after the accident has happened.
Apart from that one could ask oneself what use it has to produce 4 person cars with 4 or 6.3 liter engines (or hundreds of kW in e-cars) at all as there seem not to be much benefits to society and environment to put it mildly. Some would even say it is blatant egoism.
A car drivers license coupled to maximum allowed engine displacement/Nm/kW and electronic power restriction system when the driver exhibits reckless driving, repeated speeding etc. For the people possibly getting hurt/killed prevention seems a better method than punishing the driver after the accident has happened.
Apart from that one could ask oneself what use it has to produce 4 person cars with 4 or 6.3 liter engines (or hundreds of kW in e-cars) at all as there seem not to be much benefits to society and environment to put it mildly. Some would even say it is blatant egoism.
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These numbers indicate the limits for the max speed, not the recommended speed. Adhering to the limits is easy.
Can you imagine what it was like for those 3 children who were hit at 120mph in the middle of that intersection on their way home to their families. How they all were subject to an intense crash, likely surviving the initial impact, their bodies destroyed and crushed in the wreckage, trapped in a metal enclosure, but still breathing, screaming for help from anyone, only to succumb to their injuries over the course of many minutes or more. Begging for their mothers to hold them in the intense pain they felt as their bodies went into shock from the fatal injuries they sustained that slowly took their precious lives away. They were trapped in that minivan, unable to hold on to anyone, alone, just suffering in pain alone as the injuries took their lives away. Why the hell is anyone making any comments here. Is there no humanity anymore in this world? Can we simply close this thread please. It hurts my soul to even think about, let alone have to explain to those unable to have any empathy to what occurred and why this law now exists.
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What we feel is an almost universal right and something we really must and will do is driving a car. That will all be gone in one or two generations. No one will own and sit and drive a car anymore. And hen travelling times and accidents will be greatly improved. Costs too. The car paradigm has been is some sense wonderful but hopefully is soon over. It is and has been crazy... take one step back an look at it... but for now some of us will feel pain... I just want it to be over - when I see these creeping queues with one person in each car, knowing they will sit for an other 90 minutes like this, I when get depressed - and it doesn't help knowing that quite a few of them make 0-60 in 3 secs... bunker on all account. I have owned about 7-8 new cars in my life.
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The population has increased a lot compared to a few decades ago and the discomfort exists in realizing that we live on an almost overpopulated planet.
Yesterday I saw a video on the artisanal but very high-level construction of a high-performance electric sports concept car, I think it cost more than 350,000 dollars.
From 0 to 100 km per hour in 2 seconds.
Cui prodest?
Who benefits? I asked myself.
Yet that is a legal company that employs many specialized workers and for some reason has chosen to make money building concept cars costing almost half a million dollars.
I saw a useless waste of resources, time, materials and pollution relative to the construction itself that is crazy.
I told myself that maybe I am wrong to think what I think, but I can't help but think it.
When I see a movie in which a car is set on fire causing a frightening column of toxic black smoke, I think of freedom.
I am thinking more precisely about why we should not limit the freedom of a film production to uselessly and heavily pollute the environment just to make a stupid film.
Back to the actual topic that rightly raises a reflection on the limitation of personal freedom, I believe that if someone has already broken the law by committing serious crimes, they will not have too many problems in trying to find a way to elude an electronic system based on GPS.
Not to mention the fact that perhaps they committed those crimes for which they were previously convicted while driving a stolen car.
And he could always steal another car and continue his crimes, in defiance of the GPS system.
Yesterday I saw a video on the artisanal but very high-level construction of a high-performance electric sports concept car, I think it cost more than 350,000 dollars.
From 0 to 100 km per hour in 2 seconds.
Cui prodest?
Who benefits? I asked myself.
Yet that is a legal company that employs many specialized workers and for some reason has chosen to make money building concept cars costing almost half a million dollars.
I saw a useless waste of resources, time, materials and pollution relative to the construction itself that is crazy.
I told myself that maybe I am wrong to think what I think, but I can't help but think it.
When I see a movie in which a car is set on fire causing a frightening column of toxic black smoke, I think of freedom.
I am thinking more precisely about why we should not limit the freedom of a film production to uselessly and heavily pollute the environment just to make a stupid film.
Back to the actual topic that rightly raises a reflection on the limitation of personal freedom, I believe that if someone has already broken the law by committing serious crimes, they will not have too many problems in trying to find a way to elude an electronic system based on GPS.
Not to mention the fact that perhaps they committed those crimes for which they were previously convicted while driving a stolen car.
And he could always steal another car and continue his crimes, in defiance of the GPS system.
I think its a good idea for serial offenders... implementing it will be the thing.
lets hypothetically say you are this excuse for a human and they fit a device to your car, fair enough it'll limit "that" car, whats stopping you from driving a different car?
Also suppose the offenders car is "Analog" it cant be speed limited?
lets hypothetically say you are this excuse for a human and they fit a device to your car, fair enough it'll limit "that" car, whats stopping you from driving a different car?
Also suppose the offenders car is "Analog" it cant be speed limited?
Make the black box in the car needing an electronic key registered to its user. See and treat the electronic key as a combined ID/drivers license and put large fines on people giving their electronic keys (registered to them) to others. Enable the driver and his key and the other allowed drivers in the black box and have theft/car jacking reduced at the same time. Recent cars are already electronic (keyless) in many ways. Not a watertight system but it will be reducing issues anyway.
Thinking should be forward not backwards as eventually analog cars won't be much around anymore.
The whole point seems to be that many seem to think humans themselves know best what to do and if they don't they should be punished. This is not in the interest of society and possible victims. IMHO taking the fault possibility away is more effective. It can very well be done, please take a look at what measures and rules are adapted/bent for e-cars everywhere.
Thinking should be forward not backwards as eventually analog cars won't be much around anymore.
The whole point seems to be that many seem to think humans themselves know best what to do and if they don't they should be punished. This is not in the interest of society and possible victims. IMHO taking the fault possibility away is more effective. It can very well be done, please take a look at what measures and rules are adapted/bent for e-cars everywhere.
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"Thinking should be forward not backwards as eventually analog cars won't be much around anymore"
In a progressive country like your yes very true, but America it isnt
In a progressive country like your yes very true, but America it isnt
Recently saw a documentary that “demolition derby” events already start to die out as the cars of the last decade already have too many protection measures and features.
Visited a rallye match combined with demolition derby here and saw/noticed similar things. Like airbags doing what they should do but drivers less enthusiastic about that 😉
Visited a rallye match combined with demolition derby here and saw/noticed similar things. Like airbags doing what they should do but drivers less enthusiastic about that 😉
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Reckless driver is far from just driving fast. Taking away the ability to drive (drivers licence, legaly at least) is a proper course of action if it is a repeated offender. The other day, i avoided getting crashed into by another driver, twice, by same guy that just decided it was his time to go in my lane in my car basically. Could be argued that is far more reckless, if i hadn't paid attention and maneuvred, my car and my family inside would be in deep $hit.
I'm against all kind of automated control of any of my property, no matter how little, it easily gets to a larger scale. Old frog in a pot story...
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