Definetly cheap, i just came across that speaker and it sparked some interest.. Should i use a waveguide how do i simulate it beforehand?
try not to use Dayton. do you know what a house brand is ? it's when a store creates their own brand. these are almost always poor quality products that would never survive in the market unless a store was guaranteeing they were always on the most visible shelf. in case of PE no matter what brand you search for you always seem to get results for Dayton instead - that seems to be their business model ( i could be mistaken ). why would anybody buy products from such a brand ?
i recently made a mistake of buying Luxury Vinyl Flooring of a house brand from Floor and Decor store. it started failing before it was even installed. i thought i got a deal because it was cheaper than brand name Luxury Vinyl like COREtec while having better specs. bad mistake.
most brand have to fight for consumer recognition. house brands do not. they are cheaper because they don't have to spend on marketing but also their quality is usually sub par.
Oh i forgot the links:
https://www.products-peerless.com/en/transducer/109
https://en.toutlehautparleur.com/speakers/cone-speaker/speaker-faitalpro-8rs250-8-ohm-8-inch.html
What about these?
https://www.products-peerless.com/en/transducer/109
https://en.toutlehautparleur.com/speakers/cone-speaker/speaker-faitalpro-8rs250-8-ohm-8-inch.html
What about these?
Dayton Audio and GRS are house brands for Parts Express. Parts Express does not make any drivers themselves, the same factories that make many other OEM drivers make PE's drivers. PE has a huge lineup of drivers, some better than others. The RS225 is a great driver for the money. If you can afford an 8" Revelator it is a better driver and you shouldn't hesitate to use it.
Faital is a good brand but unless you need the high power and high efficiency you're paying more money than you have to
peerless is OK brand but i can't open your link - gives security warning
peerless is OK brand but i can't open your link - gives security warning
i didn't know that about GRS. i thought they are a company that makes low cost knock off drivers but i didn't know they were affiliated with PE.
yes for example GRS ribbons look identical to Fountek so likely they are made at the same factory but that doesn't mean they are made to exactly the same specs. my guess is they use lower grade magnets as well as lower quality ribbon element and share only the tooling equipment for the housings.
i would stay away from both brands by default UNLESS there was evidence that a particular driver is good. even a stopped clock shows correct time twice a day. i have no doubt some of the Dayton and GRS speakers are absolutely fine, or at least usable.
but if i knew nothing about a particular model of a speaker i wouldn't get a Dayton or GRS simply because the price looked good.
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Faital is 3 or 4 levels above Dayton - in fact it may even be above Seas
but make sure to model that driver for low frequency alignment - prosound drivers tend to prioritize efficiency over low frequency response
in other words it may not go as low as you like - you will definitely need a subwoofer with it - but it will be much louder than Dayton or Seas
i have a similar driver from Beyma and it's more like a midrange than woofer - very loud but not very deep - this will be the case with most prosound drivers
in prosound 8" is a midrange. woofer is 15"
in home drivers 4" is midrange and 10" is woofer.
that's because prosound is designed to go louder so they us larger sizes.
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-8-woofers/silver-flute-w20rc38-08-8-wool-cone/
I dont know about these silver flute. Also good price
I dont know about these silver flute. Also good price
"i didn't know that about GRS. i thought they are a company that makes low cost knock off drivers"
You are pretty much correct, GRS stands for Great Replacement Speakers.
The GRS planars (Bolender & Graebener knock offs) use a different film material than the originals. I'm not sure about the Founteks knock offs. But in general they offer 80-90% of the performance for 33% of the cost. But you are also correct that even the Dayton Audio drivers are a BUDGET brand, some just happen to be very good for the money.
You are pretty much correct, GRS stands for Great Replacement Speakers.
The GRS planars (Bolender & Graebener knock offs) use a different film material than the originals. I'm not sure about the Founteks knock offs. But in general they offer 80-90% of the performance for 33% of the cost. But you are also correct that even the Dayton Audio drivers are a BUDGET brand, some just happen to be very good for the money.
https://sbacoustics.com/product/8in-sb23nrxs45-8-norex/
This thing EXACTLY matches my internal volume
This thing EXACTLY matches my internal volume
with a bass reflex cabinet you would certainly be able to get down to 80 hz and from there you can cross over to a subwoofer
i had a setup with 8" studio monitors ( mackie ) and a 18" DIY subwoofer and it works pretty well.
faital has PR and RS series of drivers where PR have cloth surround which is better for efficiency and RS have rubber surround ( now that i think of it RS probably stands for Rubber Surround ) which give the driver lower tuning at the expense of efficiency ( Rubber is heavier than Cloth, but more compliant ).
my 8" Beyma had cloth surround so this RS should reach a bit lower. i used my Beyma down to 125 hz in infinite baffle ( car audio ) and this 8" RS should work fine to 80 hz in bass reflex.
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Price is fine, this looks great. If i could find a tweeter that goes sufficiently low or use a waveguide with it ,would be nice if 2 way was doable from this midwoofer.
cloth is the norm in prosound, but sometimes prosound drivers are offered with rubber surround to give customers more options - rubber tames breakup modes a bit and gives driver lower FS but usually costs about 3 or 4 db of efficiency.
for home and studio speakers rubber surround is the norm and cloth is pretty much unheard of.
a prosound driver with rubber surround could be a good balance - using prosound style motor with home style suspension for a balance between output and low end.
There is no point in getting a response plot before you measure because putting it in a simulator doesn't show you the acoustic scenario. If you're not designing the waveguide yourself, just ask what sized woofer it is designed to cross to.