Hi,
I just bought a couple of WE 300b's for my monoblocks. I urgently opened the nice blue boxes and installed them in my amps, replacing a pair of Svetlana 300b's.
I turned the power on and both tubes have the blue corona at the top of the glass.
I did a search here and found out, ( I hope), that this is normal for new tubes and will/should lessen as the getters do thier job and eliminate most of the gas molocules left from the construction process.
I quess I just want to be reasured that I not damaging the most expensive tubes I have ever payed my hard earned cash for.
There is no blue glow inside the filament area, just at the tops and it does look cool.
I just bought a couple of WE 300b's for my monoblocks. I urgently opened the nice blue boxes and installed them in my amps, replacing a pair of Svetlana 300b's.
I turned the power on and both tubes have the blue corona at the top of the glass.
I did a search here and found out, ( I hope), that this is normal for new tubes and will/should lessen as the getters do thier job and eliminate most of the gas molocules left from the construction process.
I quess I just want to be reasured that I not damaging the most expensive tubes I have ever payed my hard earned cash for.
There is no blue glow inside the filament area, just at the tops and it does look cool.
REST ASSURED...
Hi,
While I don't find this "normal" it shouldn't be problematic in the long run.
The getters will burn this remaining gas off within a month or so.
Cheers,
Hi,
I quess I just want to be reasured that I not damaging the most expensive tubes I have ever payed my hard earned cash for.
While I don't find this "normal" it shouldn't be problematic in the long run.
The getters will burn this remaining gas off within a month or so.
Cheers,
Hi maybeim;
I agree with GabeV FWIW. Your description is consistent with excitation of phosphorescent materials in or on the glass envelope rather than excitation of stray gas molecules. If it is a gassey valve, you will see a diffuse blue glow with no sharply defined borders that is in the space INSIDE the glass envelope. If it is just electron excitation of phosphors on the glass, the blue glow will ONLY appear on the inside surface of the glass (and also possibly on the inside surface of the plate structure for the same reason).
Good luck and all the best,
Morse
I agree with GabeV FWIW. Your description is consistent with excitation of phosphorescent materials in or on the glass envelope rather than excitation of stray gas molecules. If it is a gassey valve, you will see a diffuse blue glow with no sharply defined borders that is in the space INSIDE the glass envelope. If it is just electron excitation of phosphors on the glass, the blue glow will ONLY appear on the inside surface of the glass (and also possibly on the inside surface of the plate structure for the same reason).
Good luck and all the best,
Morse
Re: Blue Glow
Hi The Planet,
BTW I notice that was your first post. Welcome to the Forum
Why not tell us something about your interests either here or in the Introductions section?
Cheers,
Hi The Planet,
I'm sure you're right.The-Planet said:The blue fluorescence at the inside surface of the glass bulb is typically seen with a very good vacuum. A gassy tube will have a blue glow around the filament/grid structure and will draw excessive grid current.
Enjoy the light show, not a problem at all.
BTW I notice that was your first post. Welcome to the Forum
Why not tell us something about your interests either here or in the Introductions section?
Cheers,
I have some 6V6EH that have been used for a year or so, and have a blue glow, it is entirely normal. They have not changed much since they were new. If you look closely, it is definitely the glass that is fluorescing. (I guess due to secondary electron emission? Bonus question for the physicists! ) The central plate/grid/cathode structure has no glow around it.
I think part of the reason that old tubes are so often coated with grey or black paint inside is to remove this glow, so people wouldn't think the tubes were gassy...
As an aside, I found a tube the other day with a bubble in the glass! Is this likely to fail? I already broke the "outside" of the bubble, guess I should be more careful...
I think part of the reason that old tubes are so often coated with grey or black paint inside is to remove this glow, so people wouldn't think the tubes were gassy...
As an aside, I found a tube the other day with a bubble in the glass! Is this likely to fail? I already broke the "outside" of the bubble, guess I should be more careful...
IT'S A GAS.
Hi,
No, that was not the reason.
From memory, I think this had to do with a sensitivity to UV light.
It's a weak spot alright, you'll know when it start to leak.
Cheers,
Hi,
I think part of the reason that old tubes are so often coated with grey or black paint inside is to remove this glow, so people wouldn't think the tubes were gassy...
No, that was not the reason.
From memory, I think this had to do with a sensitivity to UV light.
As an aside, I found a tube the other day with a bubble in the glass! Is this likely to fail? I already broke the "outside" of the bubble, guess I should be more careful...
It's a weak spot alright, you'll know when it start to leak.
Cheers,
Re: IT'S A GAS.
According to "Radio Valve Technique" (Deketh 1947) carbon was used . The reason was to reduce secondary emission.
Carbon has a low secondary emission ratio.
7N7
fdegrove said:No, that was not the reason.
From memory, I think this had to do with a sensitivity to UV light.
According to "Radio Valve Technique" (Deketh 1947) carbon was used . The reason was to reduce secondary emission.
Carbon has a low secondary emission ratio.
7N7
RE:Re: IT'S A GAS.
Hi,
I stand corrected, thanks.
Must have been confusing this technique with the use of blue coloured glass on some old European radio valves.
Cheers,
Hi,
According to "Radio Valve Technique" (Deketh 1947) carbon was used . The reason was to reduce secondary emission.
I stand corrected, thanks.
Must have been confusing this technique with the use of blue coloured glass on some old European radio valves.
Cheers,
In fact, blue glow on the glass is a sign of a *good* vacuum, showing that the electrons survived the trip without hitting any gas. A common tube that does a lot of blue is the 6L6.
Now, one thing that I was wondering, inside a Russian 6P3C-E (6L6 equiv.), at 25W Pd (just a little over ratings, but it's a husky tube), 330Vp, the plate *coating* (not the plate itself) glows red (incandescent), and has a bit of blue fluorescence too. Is this normal? I think it is, since all the 12AU7s in Hept'AU7 do it (a very small band, visible at exactly two angles, but definetly on the plate). (They have a similar grey plate.)
Tim
Now, one thing that I was wondering, inside a Russian 6P3C-E (6L6 equiv.), at 25W Pd (just a little over ratings, but it's a husky tube), 330Vp, the plate *coating* (not the plate itself) glows red (incandescent), and has a bit of blue fluorescence too. Is this normal? I think it is, since all the 12AU7s in Hept'AU7 do it (a very small band, visible at exactly two angles, but definetly on the plate). (They have a similar grey plate.)
Tim
the proof of the pudding....
At the end of the day...thats all that maters!!!
How do they sound? excellent would be my reply.
At the end of the day...thats all that maters!!!
Why not tell us something about your interests either here or in the Introductions section?
Hi John,
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Bas
Bas Horneman said:The Planet is Gary Kaufman
Cool. Hi Gary.
It seems everyone is slowly migrating.
Hi Bas,
I edited then saw your post. I wasn't sure if he'd find it funny, although I'm chuckling in memory of one of the best ever threads on "tubes".
Perhaps we can gang up and ask "what the best 12A_7 tubes are to blend your mind into the aural matrix and become one with the harmonic infrastructure of the music?"
I edited then saw your post. I wasn't sure if he'd find it funny, although I'm chuckling in memory of one of the best ever threads on "tubes".
Perhaps we can gang up and ask "what the best 12A_7 tubes are to blend your mind into the aural matrix and become one with the harmonic infrastructure of the music?"
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