Greetings
So I've been on the hunt for a new speaker. But I have limitations this time as the wife for the first time in our marriage is stepping in... Maybe because the closet full of drivers, xo parts and speakers going to waste.
I can do a new build to last the next few years, but I was given a condition. They have to be a kit or a proven/well designed plan.
Yes there are a LOT of kits, but I've one found two that come close to what I want. One the designer said XO not very refined so he wouldn't recommend it. The other uses a 12" and I need a 6.5-8".
I'm looking for a lot or design using a CD/WG or Horn with a Mid-Bass woofer and NOT a PA woofer. I want something that WON'T have to be crossed at 80+. Hell that's all klipsch builds but their stuff is garbage and costs way way to much.
Does anyone know of a design? And yes I know about Econowave- they use PA woofers, the midbass woofer they use for one is to big.
These will go in a 15x13 room close to corners, budget $160 per speaker for XO and drivers. I am NOT interested in DIYSG, I don't want to sacrifice bass for spl. I'd rather have a 88/89db speaker and have extension. I don't have DATS so I can't measure my self the ZMA and TS, I do have UMIK-1 and HOLM and REW. That's why I prefer a kit/design already unless there's some form of collaboration here. I've heard a few horns and I love the way the sound and make our music more enjoyable, and they look awesome.
So I've been on the hunt for a new speaker. But I have limitations this time as the wife for the first time in our marriage is stepping in... Maybe because the closet full of drivers, xo parts and speakers going to waste.
I can do a new build to last the next few years, but I was given a condition. They have to be a kit or a proven/well designed plan.
Yes there are a LOT of kits, but I've one found two that come close to what I want. One the designer said XO not very refined so he wouldn't recommend it. The other uses a 12" and I need a 6.5-8".
I'm looking for a lot or design using a CD/WG or Horn with a Mid-Bass woofer and NOT a PA woofer. I want something that WON'T have to be crossed at 80+. Hell that's all klipsch builds but their stuff is garbage and costs way way to much.
Does anyone know of a design? And yes I know about Econowave- they use PA woofers, the midbass woofer they use for one is to big.
These will go in a 15x13 room close to corners, budget $160 per speaker for XO and drivers. I am NOT interested in DIYSG, I don't want to sacrifice bass for spl. I'd rather have a 88/89db speaker and have extension. I don't have DATS so I can't measure my self the ZMA and TS, I do have UMIK-1 and HOLM and REW. That's why I prefer a kit/design already unless there's some form of collaboration here. I've heard a few horns and I love the way the sound and make our music more enjoyable, and they look awesome.
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Budget is a little low for the effort of diy'ing. For the same price you can buy the well designed JBL 306P MKII for 149.00 each. Add a couple cross braces and you're done.
A simple solution would be to just use full range drivers and forget the complexity of crossovers. You can pick up Fane 12-250TC's for about £70 each new.
I made the mistake of going that route(ish) bought Kali-lp6. Horrible 60/120hz hum and really bad ground loop at every outlet. Weren't as good as I thought they would be either. I have 7 of them sitting in their boxs waiting to sell them. Didn't seem like to much effort, heck you can hit up DIYSG and buy a few kits for that price, I just don't want a PA woofer.
That honestly sounds like an amplifier problem not a speaker issue. Did you test them with multiple amps/pre-amps?
They're active speakers, self powered. It's a outlet problem. All seven speakers did it. My 3000D I have to double chassis ground and ground lift it.
I built the rs225-4 and rs100 version. Didn't come out well, muffled mids and highs compared to what I like. Even my garbage klipsch r-41m have a airy open sound I like from my highs
JBL is doing it now- and their bookshelf is claimed only 85db- exactly what im looking for just not $900 each lol.
JBL HDI-1600 (Satin Walnut) Bookshelf speaker at Crutchfield
JBL HDI-1600 (Satin Walnut) Bookshelf speaker at Crutchfield
thoes have excessive highs
Klipsch R-41M Bookshelf Speaker Review | Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum
Yup, but once Audyssey flattens em out a bit the highs are fun. And that's what I'm looking for. Thinking something like the peerless DFM or Celestion 1446 dayton RS180P or something else. Still scouring PE for a suitable woofer in my price range
SB-Acoustics drivers have been used successfully in an 8"+1.1" two-way:
The 8" SB23NBACS45-4 woofer in a sealed 1cuft volume has -F3 ~50Hz and justs starts beaming ~1,000Hz. Use a crossover at ~1,200Hz - 1,300Hz with LR4 / LR4 circuits to the 1.1" SB29RDC-C000-4 tweeter.
Download the datasheets. Study the SPL curves around 1,200 to 1,300Hz. You will become a believer.
The $110 8" woofer has a geometrically reinforced aluminium cone for improved break-up control. The 1.1" tweeter has increased area, 0.5mm peak-to-peak linear travel, plus a low Fs=600Hz.
Drivers + crossover parts cost ~ $200.
The 8" SB23NBACS45-4 woofer in a sealed 1cuft volume has -F3 ~50Hz and justs starts beaming ~1,000Hz. Use a crossover at ~1,200Hz - 1,300Hz with LR4 / LR4 circuits to the 1.1" SB29RDC-C000-4 tweeter.
Download the datasheets. Study the SPL curves around 1,200 to 1,300Hz. You will become a believer.
The $110 8" woofer has a geometrically reinforced aluminium cone for improved break-up control. The 1.1" tweeter has increased area, 0.5mm peak-to-peak linear travel, plus a low Fs=600Hz.
Drivers + crossover parts cost ~ $200.
Hi " Remy",
Have you forgotten ( or ruled-out ) DIYSG's long retired Fusion-6 "VIBE" ??
I really thought that Matt Grant did a bang-up job on that little guy.
From what I see the "VIBE" is able to fulfill all your criteria ( ultimately bass extension would be governed by box size and tuning ) .
For review ( and archiving purposes ) here are a bunch of 6 year-old screen grabs.
While the EOS-6 horn and that little dna-150 driver are NLA, there are just as capable small drivers and small waveguides available.
You might want to contact Erich to see if he still has any of these parts that he'd like to sell.
If not, the B&C ME10 horn driven by a Peerless dfm2535 compression driver would be my first choice to use in a redesign ( it's a more than capable substitute and has a nice well damped 35mm titanium diaphragm ).
FaitalPro 6Fe100-8
FWIW, I see your budget as being doable.
I might even suggest doubling the woofer count ( for the L,C,R's ) into a TMM arrangement and finding a slightly larger waveguide for use ( such as the EOS-8 or similar ).
HiFiCompass de10 on ME10 measurements has done a nice workup of measurements on this driver/horn combo.
This horn shows surprising good directivity ( down to 2.5K ).
Erich is blowing out B&C de10's ( FYI ).
🙂
Have you forgotten ( or ruled-out ) DIYSG's long retired Fusion-6 "VIBE" ??
I really thought that Matt Grant did a bang-up job on that little guy.
From what I see the "VIBE" is able to fulfill all your criteria ( ultimately bass extension would be governed by box size and tuning ) .
For review ( and archiving purposes ) here are a bunch of 6 year-old screen grabs.
While the EOS-6 horn and that little dna-150 driver are NLA, there are just as capable small drivers and small waveguides available.
You might want to contact Erich to see if he still has any of these parts that he'd like to sell.
If not, the B&C ME10 horn driven by a Peerless dfm2535 compression driver would be my first choice to use in a redesign ( it's a more than capable substitute and has a nice well damped 35mm titanium diaphragm ).
FaitalPro 6Fe100-8
FWIW, I see your budget as being doable.
I might even suggest doubling the woofer count ( for the L,C,R's ) into a TMM arrangement and finding a slightly larger waveguide for use ( such as the EOS-8 or similar ).
HiFiCompass de10 on ME10 measurements has done a nice workup of measurements on this driver/horn combo.
This horn shows surprising good directivity ( down to 2.5K ).
Erich is blowing out B&C de10's ( FYI ).
🙂
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