Zen Mod recommended:" dady - start new thread for your amp
this way we are just going to get lost in these 1300 posts
then I'll be able both to follow and comment
After this wisdom counsels of Aleksandar and because I am still curious, I started this thread that Mr Nelson Pass just answer my question in the previous #1290 of the thread Article Sony vfets part 1.
Dear partners of this Pass Labs threads.
Few months ago I started with the CSX1 project. Then, I got from Acroman several pieces of the pairs 82/28 and with another pieces of another friend and member, jama, we found carefully their curves envelope and matching to obtain four identical pairs.
Then looking for more damping I planned in parallel them.
I tried they and they are matched fine, with a DC of 0.01volt and a difference in the polarization of 0.2volt between the negative and positive rail.
Yesterday I start to think in the project again and trial several drawings of symmetrical connection between the devices, finally I found a schema that I will show with the object of be judged for more experienced members. Please I need your counsel if is possible to make it without troubles.
Best Regards in advance and thank for your opinion.
this way we are just going to get lost in these 1300 posts
then I'll be able both to follow and comment
After this wisdom counsels of Aleksandar and because I am still curious, I started this thread that Mr Nelson Pass just answer my question in the previous #1290 of the thread Article Sony vfets part 1.
Dear partners of this Pass Labs threads.
Few months ago I started with the CSX1 project. Then, I got from Acroman several pieces of the pairs 82/28 and with another pieces of another friend and member, jama, we found carefully their curves envelope and matching to obtain four identical pairs.
Then looking for more damping I planned in parallel them.
I tried they and they are matched fine, with a DC of 0.01volt and a difference in the polarization of 0.2volt between the negative and positive rail.
Yesterday I start to think in the project again and trial several drawings of symmetrical connection between the devices, finally I found a schema that I will show with the object of be judged for more experienced members. Please I need your counsel if is possible to make it without troubles.
Best Regards in advance and thank for your opinion.
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Yesterday, I tried in the workshop at the basement the voltages and the currents, the DC in the out is more difficult in stabilize, 0,2volt.
This afternoon I put in my living room, I was intrigued and I tried with one channel. The sound, very good. The loudspeakers are full range 15ohm EX4Lowther in a DIY back loaded horn (Mauhorn). I tried with bach solo cello sonata, something with King Crimson, and a little of Mahler with bestial symphonic passage. Suddenly the SMPS died,
But the sound was amazing, coherent and dynamic.
I guess I have to stabilize the DC, put a fan in the SMPS. Anybody of the people here could give an idea about the improvement?
Today I rise the current until 1.5A with 23,5 Volt.
45ºC, I trying in calculate the input capacitance...
Before I tried with parallel windings on the primary of the transformer with louder sound.
Today I attached and preamp but the windings in series gave better sound.
Exploring one channel with different music today, after 3 hours the DC rise a little, the SMPS with a 12 volt fan working with 4,5 gave enough air for maintain under good temperature.
The clue? somebody can counsel to me. Mr Aleksandar ZEN?
Mr Mode?
Best Regards Gentlemen
This afternoon I put in my living room, I was intrigued and I tried with one channel. The sound, very good. The loudspeakers are full range 15ohm EX4Lowther in a DIY back loaded horn (Mauhorn). I tried with bach solo cello sonata, something with King Crimson, and a little of Mahler with bestial symphonic passage. Suddenly the SMPS died,
But the sound was amazing, coherent and dynamic.
I guess I have to stabilize the DC, put a fan in the SMPS. Anybody of the people here could give an idea about the improvement?
Today I rise the current until 1.5A with 23,5 Volt.
45ºC, I trying in calculate the input capacitance...
Before I tried with parallel windings on the primary of the transformer with louder sound.
Today I attached and preamp but the windings in series gave better sound.
Exploring one channel with different music today, after 3 hours the DC rise a little, the SMPS with a 12 volt fan working with 4,5 gave enough air for maintain under good temperature.
The clue? somebody can counsel to me. Mr Aleksandar ZEN?
Mr Mode?
Best Regards Gentlemen
for parallel connection of primary windings , you need properly low driving impedance - so either beastie preamp/buffer or input buffer implemented in amp itself
that's explanation for better sound when using primaries in series
find enclosed schematic upright - it's always easier to think with head upright
what you're having - balanced or unbalanced preamp (stage preceding amp) ?
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can you clarify - what you exactly mean with parallel and what with series connection of primary windings ?
that's explanation for better sound when using primaries in series
find enclosed schematic upright - it's always easier to think with head upright
what you're having - balanced or unbalanced preamp (stage preceding amp) ?
edit:
can you clarify - what you exactly mean with parallel and what with series connection of primary windings ?
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Thanks Aleksandar, in the schematic the primaries are in series.
Respect to my preamp, I have none Jeje, but I trying a unbalanced BTW, however I diagram it like balanced connection because the circuit is all balanced.
At the first time I think in a double CSX with four transformers for individual polarization, further I made more simple but I have some DC on the output.
Do you know how much is the maximal DC that I could use with my fullrange 15ohms?
Today I listen my Aleph X again, and I remembered the sound of the simetrical with more bass.
At the moment I not measure the amp.
Thanks for your comments my friend.
Best Regards
Respect to my preamp, I have none Jeje, but I trying a unbalanced BTW, however I diagram it like balanced connection because the circuit is all balanced.
At the first time I think in a double CSX with four transformers for individual polarization, further I made more simple but I have some DC on the output.
Do you know how much is the maximal DC that I could use with my fullrange 15ohms?
Today I listen my Aleph X again, and I remembered the sound of the simetrical with more bass.
At the moment I not measure the amp.
Thanks for your comments my friend.
Best Regards
sorry , I simply can't see how primaries are in series , if connected as in picture
you can either feed them balanced , each winding fed from one phase of source , or unbalanced , where ideally non-modulated winding is closed to ground with impedance identical to output impedance of source feeding other winding
huh - complicated to write ..... but say it in other way - feed one winding with 300R source , close second winding to ground via 300R resistor ....... for SE connection
so , better to sketch what exactly you are thinking with series vs. parallel
regarding DC at speaker ...... consensus is that 100mV is OK for PA amps , while for domestic ones ( feeding gentle fullrangers,for instance) 50mV is sane limit
you can either feed them balanced , each winding fed from one phase of source , or unbalanced , where ideally non-modulated winding is closed to ground with impedance identical to output impedance of source feeding other winding
huh - complicated to write ..... but say it in other way - feed one winding with 300R source , close second winding to ground via 300R resistor ....... for SE connection
so , better to sketch what exactly you are thinking with series vs. parallel
regarding DC at speaker ...... consensus is that 100mV is OK for PA amps , while for domestic ones ( feeding gentle fullrangers,for instance) 50mV is sane limit
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Yes you right Aleksandar, series mean if you forget the connection to ground in the union of both windings and one of the extremes to the live and the other to the ground.
aha , now I got it .
what you need is proper balanced preamp stage , to exploit circuit potential fully
what you need is proper balanced preamp stage , to exploit circuit potential fully
Hi amigo Dady
So you say me it's noise cancelation if well matched vfet's in your balanced topology amplifier.
They deliver 2 times RMS power like square laws class A with 4 ohm drivers ?
Any future psu build project with 400 or 500 watts r-core transformers or smps is ok and not worse the efforts ?
Greetings 🙂
So you say me it's noise cancelation if well matched vfet's in your balanced topology amplifier.
They deliver 2 times RMS power like square laws class A with 4 ohm drivers ?
Any future psu build project with 400 or 500 watts r-core transformers or smps is ok and not worse the efforts ?
Greetings 🙂
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