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#25
Wow, this is spiraling out of control. Jason, PLEASE do the group buy. A lot of people want them, and have signed up for them.

If you don't to take part for whatever reason, just don't buy one from Jason. Everyone is more than welcome to buy their own parts.

I am really busy and barely get much time to work on this stuff, so I am will to pay for the kit to make it easy. The price is probably better then buying the parts myself, and I definitely don't mind funding a couple boards and parts for Brian and Jason. They are doing all the work on this.
 
#26
I have to agree... let Jason go do what he wants.... it is a free counrty! But threats to the moderators.... about what? The fact that you can't hold a civilized conversation about something? Definately get real! The fact is Jason I could be of great help to you on the parts buy..... :nod:

I've run some tests tonight and will in the next few minuites post the results on Brian's Gallery. All in all it works exactly as the first Mini that I built a year and a half ago. Although this one is certainly ALOT more compact. Brian has promised that these will be very high quality PCB's with 3 oz traces and .093" thick base material. COOL!!!!!

Mark
 
#27
Re: The Pot Calling the Kettle Black???

LuckyLyndy said:
Settle down, Jason.

I've read your posts on Peter Daniel's DAC thread as well, so you shouldn't be talking about someone flaming and being out of control.
Or is Peter going to sell you one of his DAC boards, now?

Mark is building a prototype, and is doing the troubleshooting as well. According to you, he should be compensated for his time and trouble as well. So if he wants to weigh in with his opinion about funds, contributing personal time, and whatnot to the forum, more power to him. And you are going to set the moderator hounds on him? Get real.
I agree it can be a hassle assembling parts to stuff a board, and many members would rather pay someone else to do it. But I also appreciate the attitude of members here, to give of their time and effort without a second thought of something in return. Peter Daniel has taken the time to answer long and detailed questions from me for the past four years, as well as other members like Sheldon Stokes, without ever trying to sell me on anything. That is one of the reasons I read this forum.
You can charge what you like, and if that pricing is fine by Brian and other members, that's cool. But don't play the indignant, righteous role. It doesn't fit you. Contacting the moderators, indeed...
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Im asking Mod's to watch the thread for flaming that is all.


What you dont know is that Mark gets free board's..

* words from brians mouth. *
 
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Mark A. Gulbrandsen said:
I have to agree... let Jason go do what he wants.... it is a free counrty! But threats to the moderators.... about what? The fact that you can't hold a civilized conversation about something? Definately get real! The fact is Jason I could be of great help to you on the parts buy..... :nod:

I've run some tests tonight and will in the next few minuites post the results on Brian's Gallery. All in all it works exactly as the first Mini that I built a year and a half ago. Although this one is certainly ALOT more compact. Brian has promised that these will be very high quality PCB's with 3 oz traces and .093" thick base material. COOL!!!!!

Mark
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If i lived in the states you might be of help but i live in canada. It takes a month ish. To me that is not fair for others to wait a month : O ) ANd i only asked the mod to watch for flames that is all i don't want it to be out of hand..
 
#29
Why all of the sudden does this sound like a conversion about comparative religions. Please, if you want something convienent buy Jason's kit, other wise get the parts your self, or organize you own free labor group buy. Really, this way too serious for the persuit of a hobby. Lets grow up a little and just have fun. Parts are worth what you will pay for them, regardless of where you buy them.
 
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Russ White said:
Why all of the sudden does this sound like a conversion about comparative religions. Please, if you want something convienent buy Jason's kit, other wise get the parts your self, or organize you own free labor group buy. Really, this way too serious for the persuit of a hobby. Lets grow up a little and just have fun. Parts are worth what you will pay for them, regardless of where you buy them.
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Thanks Russ.. I agree guys.

Mark if you want to talk email me please..
 
#31
I find it curious that the only person who's exhibiting a lot of emotion is the one who is accusing others of being (at least potentially) out of bounds. Around these parts, there's a saying that covers that sort of behavior, but I won't repeat it here. In any event, tantrums aren't appropriate.
The parts count isn't that extreme, nor are the individual parts all that rare or expensive. We're not talking about hard-to-find Japanese JFETs, here, just a few resistors, caps, and MOSFETs. All quite common, fortunately.
Gee, I guess I'd better hold off on the 2SJ109s in the Ver. 2.0...

Grey
 
#32
Re: The Pot Calling the Kettle Black???

LuckyLyndy said:
And you are going to set the moderator hounds on him?
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Squeak, squeak...
 

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Troy, I agree with most of what you say. But I see no reason to make a big deal out of this. The profit is in any case just 'peanuts'.
Try and add up the component cost, and you will see that😉 If everyone had to buy the components for themselfs, they wouldnt
be better off😉 Considering the amount of work, putting these kits together, and dealing with kits that disappeared in the mail, is enough to shy me away of something like that kind of work.
One suggestion, why not let the members alone decide if they want the kits?
Jason, I have an advice for you regarding the mosfet matching.
Do not rely on some setup with aligator clips! That is way too unreliable. Also, if you get a false reading caused by a bad connection some where in the match setup, put that particular fet aside until it reached a stable roomtemp. You have to be very carefull with everything in that process. Dont think you can match fets with a reading today, with fets of same reading tomorrow.
I always use terminalblocks to mount the fets.
I attached a pic of a simple setup that has worked for me.
If you need more info, let me know🙂

Ok, I thought I'd post the P.O. levels and distortion measurements here as well.......
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Thanks a lot, Mark. It looks good😎

Steen.
 

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steenoe said:
Troy, I agree with most of what you say. But I see no reason to make a big deal out of this. The profit is in any case just 'peanuts'.
Try and add up the component cost, and you will see that😉 If everyone had to buy the components for themselfs, they wouldnt
be better off😉 Considering the amount of work, putting these kits together, and dealing with kits that disappeared in the mail, is enough to shy me away of something like that kind of work.
One suggestion, why not let the members alone decide if they want the kits?

Thanks a lot, Mark. It looks good😎

Steen.
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Hey Steen-

Previous post:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=603072#post603072

Significant statement in prev post:

Jason should defiantly receive compensation for his effort. A thousand dollars a kit, no I don't think so, but a couple of bucks YES. It is WELL worth my time to pay him a few extra bucks to gather/match the parts to save me the time.


I certainly don't think Jason is being unreasonable.

I do envy Mark's availability of locally procurable parts! (and appreciate his assistance on the project as a whole. He is a good guy.)

I live in Dallas and don't know of any such places around here. Anyone have any secret hideouts they are willing to share/expose?
 
#35
Perhaps the way to look at things is this:

There will be no profit made on the standard components, just costs for postage, packing etc.

Then we are paying purely for Jason to match the mosfets. This saves us all buying extra and spending time, (and possibly money, if we need to make a jig), getting matched sets.

So, Jason, my suggestion is:

Do two packs, one with just the bare components at cost. The other, with say an extra 5$ for your time with matched sets. That way everyone should be happy.
 
#36
I agree with that. What really makes me uneasy is that the price was dropped from $50 to $35 in the bat of an eyelash. If the price had stayed at $50 because nobody said anything, thats $750 profit on the sale of 50 kits. Actually, thats a 30% margin. I think that kind of profit is beyond the scope of a group buy. Maybe it's me, but that seems to be more than pocket change.
 
#37
I did think it was kinda hi because i wanted to include shipping and packaging that is why i changed the prices.

Now shipping is not included nor is the packaging.

Prices are staying at 35$ any profits will be held so can send others cheaper or extreamly cheap kits to get them going also keep a few kits to people that have problems of any sort the would get a free new kit shipped to them asap.

J'
 
#38
I certainly don't think Jason is being unreasonable.
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Neither do I🙂 I am certain that with the profit rate Jason is asking for now, he might get into trouble later on. I have seen a few packets disappear in the mail:bawling: But one cannot calculate that in advance:xeye: So, I want to ask you guys to calm down on this matter. Wich in fact, I can see some of you have already😉 If Jason sends out well matched pairs of fets, I know for sure he did put a lot of effort and time into it😎 I happened to match a lot of fets, and it takes time, and demands concentration, a lot. FIY, I will not need to have a kit myself. I have plenty of matched IRFP devices waiting for a home😀 The only thing that would trouble me, are the darn small resistors😱
But mayby Jason is kind enough to offer them separatly?
I cant help thinking of this hole groupbuy is a mighty chance for
the'layman' to experince the great sound of Nelsons single ended ClassA!! That in itself is a great thing😎 Those chipamp guys can have a shot at some great sounding amps 🙂 But they ofcourse has to think in other ways, regarding heatsinking😀 😀


Do two packs, one with just the bare components at cost. The other, with say an extra 5$ for your time with matched sets. That way everyone should be happy.
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That would be one set with matched fets or without fets at all! You cannot offer a set with fets that are not matched, for the Aleph 30 that is!

All the best
Steen.
 
#39
Regarding the component kits, I looked over the prices with Jason. It appears that $40 CDN for the Mini-A and $55 CDN for the Aleph30 component kits will work out for the order. Keep in mind that he will have to pay 15% taxes on the digikey order (digikey prices are also a higher in Canada). In order to avoid him losing money on the whole thing, there must be a little of overhead in there in case orders get lost and other unforeseen events. Also account for the paypal and exchange rates for the paypal tranactions. I will work with him and monitor how it is going for him. In the end if everything works out perfect, then diyAudio should be getting a donation from him.

I changed the prices in the Wiki to reflect this.

I have lost about 7 packages since I started selling the gainclone kits, all international [3 lost to Italy, 1 lost to France, 2 lost to Canada, 1 lost to China].

I know that the kits could be offered cheaper if someone in the US handled to order, but I don't have the resources or time to handle anything other than the PCB order.

Also, the Digikey parts list is posted on my website, for those who wish to purchase their own parts.

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Brian
 
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