20hz-20khz and pinpoint imaging, sensitivity somewhere north of 95db, and under $200. Should be easy, right?
Seriously, here's what I'm looking for:
Speakers that I can mount on the walls in my new 14' X 37' workshop. It's a woodworking shop, so building the cabinets won't be a problem for me, but I'm looking for someone to point me towards a proven design with the components that will cost me less than $200. I do have a powered sub that I can use, so if it gets down into the 60Hz range, it should work fine. Being that the speakers have to be mounted to the wall or on shelves, tonality is more important than speakers that can image well. I wouldn't be against full range drivers if they will play rock decently (with a sub). They will be driven by a 100 watt surround sound Denon receiver, so a reasonable impedance will be more important than efficiency. Also, looking to be pointed towards a proven design, not asking for someone to design something for me.
Goals:
As always, I appreciate what I learn here.
Bobby
Seriously, here's what I'm looking for:
Speakers that I can mount on the walls in my new 14' X 37' workshop. It's a woodworking shop, so building the cabinets won't be a problem for me, but I'm looking for someone to point me towards a proven design with the components that will cost me less than $200. I do have a powered sub that I can use, so if it gets down into the 60Hz range, it should work fine. Being that the speakers have to be mounted to the wall or on shelves, tonality is more important than speakers that can image well. I wouldn't be against full range drivers if they will play rock decently (with a sub). They will be driven by a 100 watt surround sound Denon receiver, so a reasonable impedance will be more important than efficiency. Also, looking to be pointed towards a proven design, not asking for someone to design something for me.
Goals:
- Proven, existing design
- Components ~$200US
- Something that can get down to 60Hz or so (including room effect)
- Reasonable impedance
- Tonality more important than imaging ability
- Can play rock music at a reasonable level
As always, I appreciate what I learn here.
Bobby
Do a search on Pioneer bookshelves. I've heard them and they are quite impressive.
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS...sr=8-45&keywords=panasonic+bookshelf+speakers
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS...sr=8-45&keywords=panasonic+bookshelf+speakers
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The Pioneers, because of their curved sides, aren't great for hanging on the walls.
The 5" Zaph 2-way might be a good fit, though with shipping it's a little over budget:
The Madisound Speaker Store
Parts Express has speakers on sale all the time. I was in the store the other day and saw bookshelf speakers on sale for something like 40 bucks a pair. They were Dayton Audio speakers which I think is a house brand. Not sure how they sound but I see they usually have a product better than big name brands for the same price or less.
I built the TriTrix and I liked them very much.
They now hang out in the garage under a tarp because my wife was afraid my son would tip them over.
They sounded very nice for the price and if I could afford to make them pretty with some exotic veneer I'm sure they'd come back in the house.
They now hang out in the garage under a tarp because my wife was afraid my son would tip them over.
They sounded very nice for the price and if I could afford to make them pretty with some exotic veneer I'm sure they'd come back in the house.
If it were me, I would match this driver with this tweeter:
(I have these drivers and project in the near future)
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.co.../silver-flute-w17rc38-04-ohm-6-1/2-wool-cone/
The Madisound Speaker Store
Box size 12.5 liters, tune to 50hz - 51hz.
Get ready to hold on to your hat when finished!
(I have these drivers and project in the near future)
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.co.../silver-flute-w17rc38-04-ohm-6-1/2-wool-cone/
The Madisound Speaker Store
Box size 12.5 liters, tune to 50hz - 51hz.
Get ready to hold on to your hat when finished!
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Thanks for the responses.
I've also heard good things about the Pioneers and I could build shelves to set them on, so the curved sides aren't an issue. I wounder how the Pioneers would respond to better cabinets? That could be a fun little project.
The 5" Zaph two way looks interesting and I'll research it further. Seems like there are a lot of options on building cabinets for those.
The Silver Flute mids & ScanSpeak tweeters look like they could be the basis for the exact speaker that I would like to build, but I have no clue how to design a crossover for them. Maybe I could find designs with similar drivers that have been shared with the diy community and replicate that crossover.
I've also heard good things about the Pioneers and I could build shelves to set them on, so the curved sides aren't an issue. I wounder how the Pioneers would respond to better cabinets? That could be a fun little project.
The 5" Zaph two way looks interesting and I'll research it further. Seems like there are a lot of options on building cabinets for those.
The Silver Flute mids & ScanSpeak tweeters look like they could be the basis for the exact speaker that I would like to build, but I have no clue how to design a crossover for them. Maybe I could find designs with similar drivers that have been shared with the diy community and replicate that crossover.
Hmmm. I didn't realize that Pioneer made a floorstanding version of their Andrew Jones designed speakers, the FS52. While they are not bookshelf speakers, they are not huge either. It might be fun to get these and then build some very solid cabinets of the same volume. Plus, I would have something to listen to while building...
Try a Mark Audio chr70 $36 ea in simple bass reflex cabinet. No crossover needed and will easily do 55 Hz with great sound after 200 hr break in.
Thanks xrk. I've never listened to a full range speaker, but I certainly like the idea of them. Will they play fairly loud? Plus it could be fun to bring them into the house and listen to them in a better environment, driven by better electronics. I'm guessing the sound would be a bit different from what I get from my big Martin Logans...
This is two xo's combined and should work well. Alothough there are folks on here that are really versed in xo design, I'm sure they would lead a hand.
btw...do you have some type of sliding miter saw? If so, these are way easier to build than they look (second pic).
btw...do you have some type of sliding miter saw? If so, these are way easier to build than they look (second pic).
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Thanks Doug. Tools are no problem and I can build the cabinets, I just need my hand held on the electronic part.
+1 Great sound on budget and there's a multitude of enclosures available in various sizes.
KM
Yes, there is the Onken style box, you can also do a folded mass loaded transmission line and keep it pretty bookshelf sized to achieve closer to 45 Hz. If you get away from bookshelf size this driver has almost unlimited use in towers, BLH's (FH3 is one of the best sounds you will get from this driver), Voigt pipes, BIB's, Cornu spirals, etc.
Thanks. Looks like the drivers are not available. Sure like the design though, so I might look for similar drivers.
CS, still have a table of full range boxes, sold one pair for cheap about a week ago. The fellow emailed and said he couldn't believe how good they sounded.
One pair of FF125s left over also (well within reach of your budget).
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-meet/232755-full-range-boxes.html
One pair of FF125s left over also (well within reach of your budget).
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/swap-meet/232755-full-range-boxes.html
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