Hello everyone, I just finished a new NAP 250 clone.
I had already made two other versions of the NAP 250, but as a hobbyist, I made mistakes and learned along the way how to correct them and tune this amplifier, thanks in part to other members of the diyAudio community.
My previous clone can be seen here:
So, I'll present my new version here. I can provide my files for those who wish to build one and/or conduct further tests and delve deeper into the design of a NAP250 clone.
This time, it's not a truly original clone; the objectives were as follows:
- Find other transistor references that could be used for the NAP
that were both of better quality to improve audio quality and more robust.
- Switch to plastic transistors for simpler and less expensive construction.
- Make the amplifier more stable and able to handle low loads (1 ohm for a musical signal).
- Integrate the NAP and NAPS on the same PCB, with full alignment of the power transistors and drivers to place them on the same heatsink.
-Place the VBE on the heatsink for better control of the output stage bias.
-Improve the ground plane, which was done with the help of jpk73.
-Make an effort to minimize the design and reduce the final cost.
-Add a regulator for the amplifier's input stages, which was done thanks to the work of jpk73. I used his schematic. The goal was to improve sound quality.
-Add speaker protection, which was made possible thanks to Bigun's TGM10 design. This protection was modified by jpk73 based on suggestions from various forum members; mine is based on jpk73's schematic.
-After simulating in Ltspice, I slightly modified some values to achieve a slight improvement in the phase and gain margin while maintaining the same THD. These are the values Naim has used on some NAP140s.
Once finished, I encountered a NAPS stability issue with the modifications I had made. I was able to resolve this issue with the help of as_audio:
I added a Hypex module that does softstart/standby mode and thermal protection.
the main PCB with NAP/NAPS :
the front regulator base on LM317/337 :
The HP protection PCB TGM 10 :
square wave signal 100 mv 10 Khz in on a capacitive load of 1uF with 6,8 ohms with a NAPS rail (up trace is the output signal, down trace is the NAPS rail)
square wave signal 100 mv 10 Khz in on a capacitive load of 1uF with 6,8 ohms with a front regulator rail
square wave signal 1 Volt 10 Khz in on a load of 6,8 ohms with a NAPS rail
Sinusoidale wave 2,6 volts 1 kHz load 6,8 ohms with a NAPS rail :
I had already made two other versions of the NAP 250, but as a hobbyist, I made mistakes and learned along the way how to correct them and tune this amplifier, thanks in part to other members of the diyAudio community.
My previous clone can be seen here:
EDIT: The problems encountered initially have been solved in this thread by numerous tests and with the assistance of jpk73 and mdardeniz as well as the contribution of element of the work of JeffYoung. I give files here and i will see to establish component list.
Hello everyone, three years ago I built two NAP 250 clones from naim, these were my first DIY projects and even if they already give (very) good results, I still made some errors so I wanted to launch myself into a new, more successful version, so I reworked all this on the net and on this forum as well.
I redid all the...
Hello everyone, three years ago I built two NAP 250 clones from naim, these were my first DIY projects and even if they already give (very) good results, I still made some errors so I wanted to launch myself into a new, more successful version, so I reworked all this on the net and on this forum as well.
I redid all the...
- cristobool
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- Forum: Solid State
So, I'll present my new version here. I can provide my files for those who wish to build one and/or conduct further tests and delve deeper into the design of a NAP250 clone.
This time, it's not a truly original clone; the objectives were as follows:
- Find other transistor references that could be used for the NAP
that were both of better quality to improve audio quality and more robust.
- Switch to plastic transistors for simpler and less expensive construction.
- Make the amplifier more stable and able to handle low loads (1 ohm for a musical signal).
- Integrate the NAP and NAPS on the same PCB, with full alignment of the power transistors and drivers to place them on the same heatsink.
-Place the VBE on the heatsink for better control of the output stage bias.
-Improve the ground plane, which was done with the help of jpk73.
-Make an effort to minimize the design and reduce the final cost.
-Add a regulator for the amplifier's input stages, which was done thanks to the work of jpk73. I used his schematic. The goal was to improve sound quality.
-Add speaker protection, which was made possible thanks to Bigun's TGM10 design. This protection was modified by jpk73 based on suggestions from various forum members; mine is based on jpk73's schematic.
I got tempted to build a clone of a NAIM amplifier.
There are various schematics floating around and I don't think there's a definitive one I can point to. Searches for 'NAP 140' turn up some good starting points.
I've attached what I believe is the popular approach muddied somewhat by my ad-hoc part numbering. I added my own dc-speaker protection circuit with solid-state relay.
I'd really appreciate a sanity check and comments on possible errors. The NAIM circuits appear to have a reputation for h.f. instability and Spice simulations seem to confirm some 'interesting' behaviour out...
There are various schematics floating around and I don't think there's a definitive one I can point to. Searches for 'NAP 140' turn up some good starting points.
I've attached what I believe is the popular approach muddied somewhat by my ad-hoc part numbering. I added my own dc-speaker protection circuit with solid-state relay.
I'd really appreciate a sanity check and comments on possible errors. The NAIM circuits appear to have a reputation for h.f. instability and Spice simulations seem to confirm some 'interesting' behaviour out...
- Bigun
- Replies: 1,184
- Forum: Solid State
-After simulating in Ltspice, I slightly modified some values to achieve a slight improvement in the phase and gain margin while maintaining the same THD. These are the values Naim has used on some NAP140s.
Once finished, I encountered a NAPS stability issue with the modifications I had made. I was able to resolve this issue with the help of as_audio:
Hello everyone, these last months I started designing a more accomplished NAP250 clone, I may have been too ambitious and suddenly I end up with a small problem of oscillation of the main regulator.
I respected the Naim audio diagram with the difference that I placed the amplifier and the regulator (NAPS) on the same PCB, routing level it was complicated to do.
After wanting to improve the amplifier I replaced the MPSA56/06 transistor references with ZTX753/653 which are more robust
the drivers and output transistors were also replaced by
TTC3710B/TTA1452B
and MJW18020 at the output...
I respected the Naim audio diagram with the difference that I placed the amplifier and the regulator (NAPS) on the same PCB, routing level it was complicated to do.
After wanting to improve the amplifier I replaced the MPSA56/06 transistor references with ZTX753/653 which are more robust
the drivers and output transistors were also replaced by
TTC3710B/TTA1452B
and MJW18020 at the output...
- cristobool
- Replies: 41
- Forum: Solid State
I added a Hypex module that does softstart/standby mode and thermal protection.
the main PCB with NAP/NAPS :
the front regulator base on LM317/337 :
The HP protection PCB TGM 10 :
square wave signal 100 mv 10 Khz in on a capacitive load of 1uF with 6,8 ohms with a NAPS rail (up trace is the output signal, down trace is the NAPS rail)
square wave signal 100 mv 10 Khz in on a capacitive load of 1uF with 6,8 ohms with a front regulator rail
square wave signal 1 Volt 10 Khz in on a load of 6,8 ohms with a NAPS rail
Sinusoidale wave 2,6 volts 1 kHz load 6,8 ohms with a NAPS rail :
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