Hello all
I have owned my own sound system for about 5 years now and I'm looking to take it to the next level.
(no I'm not selling anything)
First off I throw events and rent my sound out primarily for electronic music events. Heavy sub bass is a must for these types of shows.
Here's a rundown of my equipment
I'm a passive man, call me old fashioned
Crossover: Behringer Super X Pro cx2310
it's a piece of junk and I literally have to hit the top of the amp rack to stop it from humming uncontrollably. I'm hoping someone here can recommend a good crossover the is suited for my need and will last a while
TOPS:
AMP: Tapco juice J 2500 4 ohm 800W program 2500W peak
2 Yamaha BR15's 400W program/800W peak
2 Fender SPL1225 Mark 2 400W program/800W peak (yes they are old but so are clean)
BOTTOMS:
AMPS: 2 QSC RMX1450's bridged mono 1400W
off of each of those I have a pair of
Yorkville LS808's (my babys) 1400W Program 2800W peak 18-inch Subwoofer
so four subs total
So as I said before my crossover is a piece of junk and I'm looking to invest in a new one. I'm also thinking I should get one with a compressor/limiter so I don't have to babysit all night like I do now.
I look forward to hearing some of your suggestions and learning from this board.
Thanks for reading
I have owned my own sound system for about 5 years now and I'm looking to take it to the next level.
(no I'm not selling anything)
First off I throw events and rent my sound out primarily for electronic music events. Heavy sub bass is a must for these types of shows.
Here's a rundown of my equipment
I'm a passive man, call me old fashioned
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Crossover: Behringer Super X Pro cx2310
it's a piece of junk and I literally have to hit the top of the amp rack to stop it from humming uncontrollably. I'm hoping someone here can recommend a good crossover the is suited for my need and will last a while
TOPS:
AMP: Tapco juice J 2500 4 ohm 800W program 2500W peak
2 Yamaha BR15's 400W program/800W peak
2 Fender SPL1225 Mark 2 400W program/800W peak (yes they are old but so are clean)
BOTTOMS:
AMPS: 2 QSC RMX1450's bridged mono 1400W
off of each of those I have a pair of
Yorkville LS808's (my babys) 1400W Program 2800W peak 18-inch Subwoofer
so four subs total
So as I said before my crossover is a piece of junk and I'm looking to invest in a new one. I'm also thinking I should get one with a compressor/limiter so I don't have to babysit all night like I do now.
I look forward to hearing some of your suggestions and learning from this board.
Thanks for reading
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DCX2496. It has everything you might need.
Is there anything more you're after out of your setup?
If you've got space to transport them, more subs for a full-width array would help with the EDM.
I'd also consider using more power on the low-end. I'd bet your amp is running out of steam well before the drivers.
The above assumes, of course, that your tops will keep up.
Chris
Is there anything more you're after out of your setup?
If you've got space to transport them, more subs for a full-width array would help with the EDM.
I'd also consider using more power on the low-end. I'd bet your amp is running out of steam well before the drivers.
The above assumes, of course, that your tops will keep up.
Chris
I will look into the dcx2496 thanks man.
Yes, you are right. My amps run extremely hot. I have to bring a extra fan with me to point at them to prevent going into protect mode.
I would love to find a amp that would run all four of my subs at the same capacity so I don't have to carry 2 of them.I was looking into some options last night and it seems the qsc4050 might be what I'm looking for.
You're old fashioned... and you need to get over it because there are active(powered) speakers out there that would make your life much easier and sound a LOT better.
So can it already and buy a DCX.
Mismatched speakers. oh not good. Ditch them both with the amp and buy a single pair of Yamaha DSR112s. Yes that single pair of powered speakers will not only make just as much noise but sound better too.
Not much to complain about there except that you should have bought the powered versions. In the short term trade the little RMX's for a big 5050 or a PL380.
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If you're set on keeping the mismatched tops, they would need to be EQ'd separately. Then, the smaller one could be inverted & stacked on the larger to minimize comb filtering.
I run them through a 15 band eq right now and I have to say my tops are always nice loud and clear with minimal push to my amps. But eventually I will have to upgrade since I plan on adding more subs to my system.
What does "comb filtering" mean?
If you Google the term "loudspeaker comb filtering" you will find a wealth of information. It occurs when you have 2 separate sound sources close together producing the same audio content. The sound from those sources arrives at the listening position at slightly different times, producing destructive & constructive interference in the response which look similar to the teeth of a comb. The higher the frequency (shorter wavelengths), the worse it becomes with distance. If you were to walk across the listening area while your paired speakers were operating, you might hear something like a phase shift in the highs. Similarly, the like can happen with room reflections. Stacking the boxes with HF horns together at least puts the majority of the comb filtering in the vertical, where our ears are less sensitive to it (one reason why line arrays work). ...hoping that someone will fill in the gaps here....
Instead of the 4 comb filters I would aim for 2 x 15" 3 way Tops. Like York Unity U15 or the like.
What QSC RMX ? There is no 150.
also, the DCX is all you need for $250, as long your life does not depend on reliable operation. Have heard of some units being somehow unstable, but personally I am satisfied.
also, the DCX is all you need for $250, as long your life does not depend on reliable operation. Have heard of some units being somehow unstable, but personally I am satisfied.
I was just looking at those they are clean.
4 york ls808subs stacked and 3 u15s on top on both sides would look decent and I'm sure sound good.
I wouldn't want to put double-15" tops on top of anything. They're heavy and bulky and need strapping down.
Useful for smaller gigs, though - they'll pretty much do as a standalone PA.
If you wanna change the tops, take a look at what most people are doing. Martin Blackline, TurboSound, stuff like that: multi-way hornloaded tops. Lots of amplifier channels, lots of power, and high-efficiency cabinets. Want it louder? Use narrow-coverage designs and more of them.
In your position, I'd go for some 15" kick-bins, and 12" + CD horn loaded tops. Nice and modular 🙂
Chris
Useful for smaller gigs, though - they'll pretty much do as a standalone PA.
If you wanna change the tops, take a look at what most people are doing. Martin Blackline, TurboSound, stuff like that: multi-way hornloaded tops. Lots of amplifier channels, lots of power, and high-efficiency cabinets. Want it louder? Use narrow-coverage designs and more of them.
In your position, I'd go for some 15" kick-bins, and 12" + CD horn loaded tops. Nice and modular 🙂
Chris
RMX 1450 gives little more than 500 W, bridged into 16 Ohms -> that is 260W per LS808.
Looks like you are cheating and going 2 Ohms which is never a good idea.
Looks like you are cheating and going 2 Ohms which is never a good idea.
If you use just one set of top boxes & get more height on the HF horns, that would be an improvement right away. The 2nd set of tops might be employed as stage monitors, or as delays in a larger or longer room. Either way, separate EQ for different boxes is optimal. Another improvement would be a full 1/3 octave stereo graphic. And, Bill Fitzmaurice has some handy tips on deploying subs for better performance in confined spaces. Strategies first, purchases second.
Not unless you're trying to cover 180 degrees, one of the basic rules of sound reinforcement is multiple fulrange speakers are never pointed in the same direction.
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