but English is the "title" and english is an adjective/description as in english language. Maybe I am wrong again.
English as in English language is known as a Proper Adjective and is always capitalized just like the noun from which it is derived.
Cheers.
We had one like that.
Ironically, also studied philosophy, economics (+law), worked for Shell, and conservative.
Bloke even received a price for political eloquence.
Ironically, also studied philosophy, economics (+law), worked for Shell, and conservative.
Bloke even received a price for political eloquence.
There apparently are lots of other people who are concerned not just about proper grammar but also about the basic principle that a word or a sentence should have a single unambiguous meaning.
Consider this: "Turn off engines not required", clearly can have (at least) two quite different meanings.
To avoid (costly) misunderstandings the aerospace industry already in the 80-ies defined Simplified Technical English (STE) for their documentation.
This has been turned into an official standard ASD-STE100 as Simplified Technical English for aerospace and defence.
I understand that this would be total horror for your average audio reviewer for whom the use of ambiguous and long-winding narratives is his daily bread and butter.😉
But in a tech forum where you want to clearly communicate ideas or critiques hopefully words and sentences should have only a single meaning. Saves us all lots of time and bandwidth.
jan
Consider this: "Turn off engines not required", clearly can have (at least) two quite different meanings.
To avoid (costly) misunderstandings the aerospace industry already in the 80-ies defined Simplified Technical English (STE) for their documentation.
This has been turned into an official standard ASD-STE100 as Simplified Technical English for aerospace and defence.
I understand that this would be total horror for your average audio reviewer for whom the use of ambiguous and long-winding narratives is his daily bread and butter.😉
But in a tech forum where you want to clearly communicate ideas or critiques hopefully words and sentences should have only a single meaning. Saves us all lots of time and bandwidth.
jan
There is the classic London sign at the entrance to an escalator "Dogs must be carried". This creates a problem for a pedant who wishes to use the escalator but has left his dog at home.
+1
It's all about communicating efficiently and effectively.
I have a reference on SI usage, "Spelling, Capitalization, and Symbols"
*Prefixes are never used alone, and no space or hyphen is used in attaching a prefix to a unit.
*Unit and prefix names are not capitalized unless they begin a sentence. (Exception: Celsius is always capitalized.)
*An abbreviation for a unit derived from a proper name is capitalized.
*When using characters from the Greek alphabet, it is preferable to use a typed symbol. If not available, the word, and words of a derived unit of which it is part, should be spelled out. A lowercase "u" must not be used as a symbol for the prefix micro.
Seeing this forum as an informal and international gathering, I put more weight on effective and efficient rather than any formal rules.
It's all about communicating efficiently and effectively.
I have a reference on SI usage, "Spelling, Capitalization, and Symbols"
*Prefixes are never used alone, and no space or hyphen is used in attaching a prefix to a unit.
*Unit and prefix names are not capitalized unless they begin a sentence. (Exception: Celsius is always capitalized.)
*An abbreviation for a unit derived from a proper name is capitalized.
*When using characters from the Greek alphabet, it is preferable to use a typed symbol. If not available, the word, and words of a derived unit of which it is part, should be spelled out. A lowercase "u" must not be used as a symbol for the prefix micro.
Seeing this forum as an informal and international gathering, I put more weight on effective and efficient rather than any formal rules.
It seems that more important people than us have problems with English too!
Though I have sympathy for the guy it is doubfull whether this is a good career move for a politician 😉
I like his: "Clear language conveys clear thought. Its poor use suggests sloppy thinking. "
jan
+1
*Prefixes are never used alone, and no space or hyphen is used in attaching a prefix to a unit.
Aha! That always had me doubting - whether to write 100V or100 V.
How about 100Vrms or 100 V rms or 100 V RMS?
jan
The proper way is to include a space between the number and the unit, though I admit I rarely write that way.
I don't believe there should be a space between V and rms. And whether Vrms or VRMS is more correct... I really don't know, but I would guess the former. A subscript is probably most correct.
I don't believe there should be a space between V and rms. And whether Vrms or VRMS is more correct... I really don't know, but I would guess the former. A subscript is probably most correct.
The most correct of writing values I know of would be 100[mV rms], units always put in square brackets, prefixes without space and qualifiers seperated by space (when no subscript can be used)
I write 36mVac or 45mVrms or 50Vdc. V is capitalised since it's after Volta. All else are lower case.
Only multipliers above 1000 use capitals.
I always use multipliers/dividers in 1000s
I always omit spaces between values and units, even when referring to a post, eg. post112
Only multipliers above 1000 use capitals.
I always use multipliers/dividers in 1000s
I always omit spaces between values and units, even when referring to a post, eg. post112
Same for me, and for the reason that we have no control over the formatting in forum display etc.I always omit spaces between values and units, even when referring to a post, eg. post112
OK 😀100mV has a prefix in its suffix.
As for correct prefixes, anybody using the correct SI ones for computer science quantities? Like 64KiByte instead of 64KByte. Same for "128Ki FFT size" vs. 128K. For some reasons this never got accepted even in scientific papers....
If using SI, then you are not using metric.
The two are different.
Scientists tend to use SI.
Technologists (except USA and a very few others) tend to use metric.
The two are different.
Scientists tend to use SI.
Technologists (except USA and a very few others) tend to use metric.
I write 36mVac or 45mVrms or 50Vdc. [snip]
That certainly looks the way it should be to me, if only because it makes it unambiguous that that bunch of characters belongs together.
But I've never been able to find a rule or something explaining/arguing it.
jan
I differentiate between ac and rms voltages.
If I am referring to a sinewave then I always use ac since it is a single frequency and the ratio of heating power to peak voltage is defined.
I only use rms where the signal is mixed frequency AND some of the signal is not sinewave.
Yes, I know that square waves and triangle waves are very extended bandwidth groups of sinewaves, but eventually that bandwidth must be limited.
I rarely measure test waves that requires a "true rms" reading since my test signals tend to be a small group of sinewaves within the measuring bandwidth of my instrument.
As a result I almost always write xyzVac
If I am referring to a sinewave then I always use ac since it is a single frequency and the ratio of heating power to peak voltage is defined.
I only use rms where the signal is mixed frequency AND some of the signal is not sinewave.
Yes, I know that square waves and triangle waves are very extended bandwidth groups of sinewaves, but eventually that bandwidth must be limited.
I rarely measure test waves that requires a "true rms" reading since my test signals tend to be a small group of sinewaves within the measuring bandwidth of my instrument.
As a result I almost always write xyzVac
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