the earth bus on my amps is now 18 gauge brazing wire.
I considered using eziflow silver rods, but the maintenance team keeps that cabinet locked...
Rats.
I considered using eziflow silver rods, but the maintenance team keeps that cabinet locked...
Rats.
Gold has its conductive properties close to aluminum, witch is only 61% as conductive as copper. Silver is 105% conductive, when compared to copper.
I wasn't going to touch this thread, but... Soldering "is" a type of welding, albeit a low temperature version.
My Apprenticeship was in avionics. We used silver plated PTFE wire and normal 60/40 solder. If its good enough for a fighter jet its good enough for me.
Maybe you should look into thermocouples😀
Maybe you should look into thermocouples😀
No, the 105% is based on IACS conductivity which is relative to the conductivity of pure copper.
It's a rather old standard (first adopted in 1913) and modern refined copper can actually be upwards of 101% IACS.
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You may be rather disappointed to know that brass brazing rod has about 25% the conductivity of copper, but relieved that silver brazing rod is not much better.
I think you should demand gold plated silver wire for every electronic project you construct. Any less would be inferior. 😀
Talk of thermocouples at junctions is a red herring. This is for at least three reasons:
1. The thermal voltage depends on the outer metals, not whatever is between them as long as it is conductive. Solder, welding, crimping are all the same.
2. The thermal voltage is not developed at the junction! Not a lot of people seem to realise this. The thermal voltage is developed in the metal wires as they go through a temperature gradient away from the junction. The temperature gradient causes a voltage gradient.
3. Thermal voltages are DC (unless the temperature is fluctuating rapidly). Music is AC. Any decent equipment will reject DC at its input, or simply present it as a DC offset at the output (to be rejected by whatever comes next, hopefully).
Talk of thermal noise above 0K is a red herring. Thermal noise is created by resistance. If your cables are sufficiently low in resistance to transfer the signal without significant attenuation then they are sufficiently low in resistance that thermal noise from the cable will be negligible.
Talk of skin effect at audio frequencies is almost a red herring. I can't be bothered to do the maths right now (or look it up), but skin effect only really begins to be relevant a bit above the audio band. That means that exotic platings are likely to be irrelevant, except for their effect on surface corrosion. I suppose that it is just possible that surface effects could create 1/f noise (oops - I seem to have fed the trolls!) but plating might then increase the problem by adding new interfaces.
Oxygen-free etc. etc.? I haven't done the maths, but my guess is that the mean free path of an electron before it gets scattered is sufficiently short even in the purest copper that its progress is randomized in all except the most tiny conductors. Fortunately all these electrons influence each other (they are highly correlated) so we don't get noticeable amounts of shot noise from our wires.
My personal view is that all these explanations are put forward because people want to offer a 'scientific' explanation for something which is actually caused either by RF pickup (which could be sensitive to details of cable construction) or the placebo effect.
1. The thermal voltage depends on the outer metals, not whatever is between them as long as it is conductive. Solder, welding, crimping are all the same.
2. The thermal voltage is not developed at the junction! Not a lot of people seem to realise this. The thermal voltage is developed in the metal wires as they go through a temperature gradient away from the junction. The temperature gradient causes a voltage gradient.
3. Thermal voltages are DC (unless the temperature is fluctuating rapidly). Music is AC. Any decent equipment will reject DC at its input, or simply present it as a DC offset at the output (to be rejected by whatever comes next, hopefully).
Talk of thermal noise above 0K is a red herring. Thermal noise is created by resistance. If your cables are sufficiently low in resistance to transfer the signal without significant attenuation then they are sufficiently low in resistance that thermal noise from the cable will be negligible.
Talk of skin effect at audio frequencies is almost a red herring. I can't be bothered to do the maths right now (or look it up), but skin effect only really begins to be relevant a bit above the audio band. That means that exotic platings are likely to be irrelevant, except for their effect on surface corrosion. I suppose that it is just possible that surface effects could create 1/f noise (oops - I seem to have fed the trolls!) but plating might then increase the problem by adding new interfaces.
Oxygen-free etc. etc.? I haven't done the maths, but my guess is that the mean free path of an electron before it gets scattered is sufficiently short even in the purest copper that its progress is randomized in all except the most tiny conductors. Fortunately all these electrons influence each other (they are highly correlated) so we don't get noticeable amounts of shot noise from our wires.
My personal view is that all these explanations are put forward because people want to offer a 'scientific' explanation for something which is actually caused either by RF pickup (which could be sensitive to details of cable construction) or the placebo effect.
No, soldering is not a form of "welding" it would be closer suited to low temperature brazing, where a dissimilar metal is used to join pieces of similar/dissimilar metal, where as welding comes down to joining 2 metals with a similar metal. In the case of ferious metals, you have tons of options! from steel, to copper and semi-exotic welding practices, such as carbon arc welding.
Regards solder.
Has anyone used Cardas`s quad eutectic solder ?
Someone asked about this in a previous thread, they were trying to find Audio Note solder. Hifi collective.
Has anyone used Cardas`s quad eutectic solder ?
Someone asked about this in a previous thread, they were trying to find Audio Note solder. Hifi collective.
The base metals may not have been melted in soldering or brazing, but an alloy was created for at least a few molecules deep in the surface. As to the thermocouple, I've built several by soldering - at first the lab tech was aghast that I would "corrupt" the thermocouple, but when I walked him through it and showed him that the starting and ending metal wires were the same and it didn't matter what happened in-between, he finally understood. And I think he eventually realized that the mechanical solidity and freedom from oxidation was an improvement.
Personally I like teflon coated silver wire, but mainly for the added durability of the teflon coating.
Personally I like teflon coated silver wire, but mainly for the added durability of the teflon coating.
Silver solder almost always is 2% silver. Electrically I doubt there is any difference because the soldered connections are first mechanically joined. For example wires are twisted together before soldering or Resistors leads are placed through holes in the PCB. The solder job should really be mechanical. But certainly some current does flow through the solder.
Silver plated wire has a slightly lower resistance at higher radio frequencies than unplated wire of the same size, at RF skin effect begins to matter. But mostly hookup wire has a diameter selected for mechanical properties and is way over-sized electrically. You do see silver plate used in some radio transmitter parts
There is a trade off too. Silver is not as reliable if the equipment is in a damp location. Dissimilar metals will corrode. so if the plated wire a nicked and the copper exposed the wire can fail.
For tube powered equipment the best hookup wire is likely solid #22 copper with the 600V PVC insulation. With tube gear lead dress and routing matters a lot, the exact location of a wire matters more than the type of wire and the stiff #22 solid wire allows you to move it and have it stay in place for decades.
The term "oxygen free copper" is right up there with "fat free watermelon". The standard for "standard" pure copper is in effect oxygen free. More details here.
Oxygen-free copper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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