Mark Audio spks don't need compensated - baffle-step issues are taken into consideration in the design process, I'm told.
However you might find this simulator software tool useful https://www.tolvan.com/index.php?page=/edge/edge.php
However you might find this simulator software tool useful https://www.tolvan.com/index.php?page=/edge/edge.php
Hello again. I still have the idea of building some speakers with Markaudio CHN-110.
I have doubts about whether to do St Helens, Kewel or DDVP-15.
I would like good bass extension but without sacrificing clarity in the mids and highs.
Greetings and thanks.
I have doubts about whether to do St Helens, Kewel or DDVP-15.
I would like good bass extension but without sacrificing clarity in the mids and highs.
Greetings and thanks.
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CHN-110 is a killer driver. Performs very well. Performs at an amazing level for its price.
I heard it in Frugel-Horn XL, Scott’’s sim suggested iJoan will get a bit more out of it. There is a Pensil as well. All of these designed by the same Scott that did the 3 sketches you have shown.
Nandape’s ML-Voigt is unknown to me but Scott has done 2 with the same topology for the FE108eΩ/FF105wk and FF165wk. They can work well.
The taller ML-TL like Kewel will be tuned more for bass extention, something like the Pensil motr for a solid mid-upper bass punch. FHs use the wall/floor or corner to ectend the horn size and does a REALLY good job at extention and gain in the bass.
I’m not sure exacty how the topvented ML-TL works, perhaps Professor Scott (@scootmoose) can give us a short lecture.
A basik reflex as in the opening post is small needs a stand and won’t go as low, and likely not with as much control as the quarter-wave designs. My miniOnkens work to get a bit more controlin the bass at the expense of exsention.
Do note that one can do a transform that does a decent first pass on a related ML-Voigt so they should be considered as much the same with a variety of bass performance depending on taste, size, and tuning,
Don’t forget compromises such as budget (a big box will eat up more material), WAF, transportability, your room…
dave
I heard it in Frugel-Horn XL, Scott’’s sim suggested iJoan will get a bit more out of it. There is a Pensil as well. All of these designed by the same Scott that did the 3 sketches you have shown.
Nandape’s ML-Voigt is unknown to me but Scott has done 2 with the same topology for the FE108eΩ/FF105wk and FF165wk. They can work well.
The taller ML-TL like Kewel will be tuned more for bass extention, something like the Pensil motr for a solid mid-upper bass punch. FHs use the wall/floor or corner to ectend the horn size and does a REALLY good job at extention and gain in the bass.
I’m not sure exacty how the topvented ML-TL works, perhaps Professor Scott (@scootmoose) can give us a short lecture.
A basik reflex as in the opening post is small needs a stand and won’t go as low, and likely not with as much control as the quarter-wave designs. My miniOnkens work to get a bit more controlin the bass at the expense of exsention.
Do note that one can do a transform that does a decent first pass on a related ML-Voigt so they should be considered as much the same with a variety of bass performance depending on taste, size, and tuning,
Don’t forget compromises such as budget (a big box will eat up more material), WAF, transportability, your room…
dave
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Dave, thank you very much for responding. I have some Bowers & Wilkins DM602 S1 but I was curious about building some fullrange speakers and I have seen several forums and videos about Markaudio drivers.
As a test I chose the CHN 110 because of the cost, but I was unsure which box to build. I don't know the theory of speaker construction, that's why I turn to you. I don't think I'll ever build something very complicated. but looking at the plans I will do something.
I see that the St Helens, with a superior port, goes down to f6 28Hz, I hope it is not at the cost of sacrificing clarity in the mids and highs.
Greetings, Jose.
As a test I chose the CHN 110 because of the cost, but I was unsure which box to build. I don't know the theory of speaker construction, that's why I turn to you. I don't think I'll ever build something very complicated. but looking at the plans I will do something.
I see that the St Helens, with a superior port, goes down to f6 28Hz, I hope it is not at the cost of sacrificing clarity in the mids and highs.
Greetings, Jose.
After some research I have come to the conclusion CHN-110 is a very good Full Range for the price.
I was pleased to read this thread.
🙂
I have them in FHXL’s and they’re amazing! I don’t have the program or equipment to quantify their performance. All I can say is low, strong bass, excellent vocals and mids. Highs were a bit bright when new but have softened/smoothed considerably as they’ve run in. Driven with ACA monoblocks. Cheap tube 03 preamp for tone control and a little more volume.
I love them!
I now have the itch to build something else though not because I feel these are lacking. They could easily be my “forever speakers”. I just want to build again.
I love them!
I now have the itch to build something else though not because I feel these are lacking. They could easily be my “forever speakers”. I just want to build again.
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Hi.
A have been building a ported speaker with chn110 . The fantastic soundquality made me sell my expensive Genelec SAM monitors.
Size : H = 106 cm. D= 23,5 cm . W = 19,5 cm.
Volume : 31 Liter.
Material : Mdf , bitumen glued on each opposite walls ( the other wall untreated ). This is done to have different resonance frequencies on every loudspeaker wall.
Bassport on backside 50 cm above floor, tuned to 36 Hz. The sound is better this way than having the port at floor level.
Building thread here :
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...arisons-with-genelec-8340-sam-monitors.46176/
Using a WiiM ultra, its beneficial for the sound if one uses the room correction or the PEQ function , as with all speakers.
A have been building a ported speaker with chn110 . The fantastic soundquality made me sell my expensive Genelec SAM monitors.
Size : H = 106 cm. D= 23,5 cm . W = 19,5 cm.
Volume : 31 Liter.
Material : Mdf , bitumen glued on each opposite walls ( the other wall untreated ). This is done to have different resonance frequencies on every loudspeaker wall.
Bassport on backside 50 cm above floor, tuned to 36 Hz. The sound is better this way than having the port at floor level.
Building thread here :
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...arisons-with-genelec-8340-sam-monitors.46176/
Using a WiiM ultra, its beneficial for the sound if one uses the room correction or the PEQ function , as with all speakers.
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Sorry, down with 'flu & hardly any time as working on a lecture series. Re St Helens, no real mysteries -it works like any other MLTL inasmuch as the alignment of an MLTL variation incorporates the longitudinal standing wave; here 'we' have simply adjusted the driver & duct offset locations to different positions than they'd normally be in; the longitudinal still affects the alignment, but the gain BW is a little different due to the relative proximities -broader, with the extra damping of the line part offset by their close positioning to each other. It's a tradeoff simply to get the top-firing vent, which some like for one reason or another, & can help with near-wall positioning.
Get well soon Scott. Flu is no fun...
I sent you an email a few days back - once you're better please have a look. 🙂
I sent you an email a few days back - once you're better please have a look. 🙂
Hi all....
I discovered this great forum a couple of months ago and since then I've been reading posts about full range speakers.....I like the frugel horns and now I'm considering building a pair for my new house.....due to my low budget the CHN110 should be the way to go....
I discovered this great forum a couple of months ago and since then I've been reading posts about full range speakers.....I like the frugel horns and now I'm considering building a pair for my new house.....due to my low budget the CHN110 should be the way to go....
What do you mean by saying that?....more bass,deeper or what else....thx in advance
The smaller size of the FHXL means the bottom is more limited and “congested”, Joan’s larger size and alignment with slightly less gain better suits the (large Vas) of the CHN-110 giving more extended bottom and more suitable gain.
dave
dave