lukazoid said:
The NS10, as weak an argument for tonal accuracy in near field monitors as you'll find. Beside Auratones. 😉
Fostex FEs aren't white, they're more earthy looking than that. The Yamahas are distinctive. I have a pair.
I'm guessing the whizzered models won't be as flat as the ones just using shaped dust caps. As far as I can tell, the FE126 will have the most forward balanced of the the 4"-4.5" banana cones, but the the 127 and 107 (the shielded ones) should be at least somewhat less forward so more flat. The FF series have a more bouncy and fun sound so they're probably more smoothed and less revealing.
Really cheap and with some decent bass, Pioneer B20s are great at ~$25 each, but like the Fostex FF series, they are more "fun" sounding and will probably need a well matched tweeter for the top octave. They're whizzered, but they don't display the same rising response of the FE16x drivers. I own these myself and use them near field, and even with the "fun" sound, they are far more revealing than any commercial speakers I've had in my space so far. Any Fostex should be noticeably more detailed.
Kensai
I'm guessing the whizzered models won't be as flat as the ones just using shaped dust caps. As far as I can tell, the FE126 will have the most forward balanced of the the 4"-4.5" banana cones, but the the 127 and 107 (the shielded ones) should be at least somewhat less forward so more flat. The FF series have a more bouncy and fun sound so they're probably more smoothed and less revealing.
Really cheap and with some decent bass, Pioneer B20s are great at ~$25 each, but like the Fostex FF series, they are more "fun" sounding and will probably need a well matched tweeter for the top octave. They're whizzered, but they don't display the same rising response of the FE16x drivers. I own these myself and use them near field, and even with the "fun" sound, they are far more revealing than any commercial speakers I've had in my space so far. Any Fostex should be noticeably more detailed.
Kensai
sreten said:
That kit is definitely intriguing. My only concern is that it's not shielded. Do you think this could be used near a computer system and not be a problem? I wonder if it would distance them enough if they were wall mounted. Of course, then the bass might get wacky...
I do have the Madisound Vifa Solo A/V kit sitting around on a shelf. Does anybody know if their response would be usable?
i'd say it's either silly or either a real challenge. personnally i'd go for the tangband + dayton/aura neo option. They had been measured by zaph , so if you don't have measuring equipment you could get the curves with the spltools and design a pretty flat and decent sounding speaker.
you could virtually do this now without buying the drivers, and then see if you can design a crossover that is both decent and keep the budget under 100 $.
if you have measuring equipment, i'd say that for this kind of small neo tweeters, it's really rewarding to design a small waveguide, by mounting it at the rear of your front baffle and routing the hole ( i personally do this with hand wood tools). This way you align accoustic centers , and if you cross high you can put a 2nd order crossover with a single cap most of the time. For the aura or dayton , i'd say the crossover would fall around 3 - 3.5khz, wich is right in your ballpark.
As you wont really need baffle step compensation if the speakers are on a desk + with a wall right behind them, the crossover design could come by being really simple
here is a kind of similar project (nearfield monitors for recording and musical composition) i did with an audax hp100g0 and monacor DT-something neo tweeter. Not the kind of drivers you find where you live but you have better equivalents 🙂 you can see the small waveguide that does actually works pretty well ! the driver to baffle transition isnt perfect but the effects on fr are quite benign. i will try to perfect this with some filler. the boxes are out of some old boses monitors.
you could virtually do this now without buying the drivers, and then see if you can design a crossover that is both decent and keep the budget under 100 $.
if you have measuring equipment, i'd say that for this kind of small neo tweeters, it's really rewarding to design a small waveguide, by mounting it at the rear of your front baffle and routing the hole ( i personally do this with hand wood tools). This way you align accoustic centers , and if you cross high you can put a 2nd order crossover with a single cap most of the time. For the aura or dayton , i'd say the crossover would fall around 3 - 3.5khz, wich is right in your ballpark.
As you wont really need baffle step compensation if the speakers are on a desk + with a wall right behind them, the crossover design could come by being really simple
here is a kind of similar project (nearfield monitors for recording and musical composition) i did with an audax hp100g0 and monacor DT-something neo tweeter. Not the kind of drivers you find where you live but you have better equivalents 🙂 you can see the small waveguide that does actually works pretty well ! the driver to baffle transition isnt perfect but the effects on fr are quite benign. i will try to perfect this with some filler. the boxes are out of some old boses monitors.
Beautiful. This is exactly along the lines of my thinking.
My current plan:
1. Build the Vifa solos I have laying around in kit form, and just give them to my friend for nothing.
2. make sure he has decent headphones.
3. Build a set of 2-ways using the 5" Tang Band and recessed Dayton ND20FB rear-mount tweeters (I was rummaging around in my stuff and realized that I already have 5 of them -- some HT idea that never took flight).
If the TB 2-ways tun out better than the vifas, great. If not, I'll just keep them and fiddle with them until they are decent PC speakers for my own use. I may start a new thread to discuss this design. When you call something a studio monitor, nobody wants to be held accountable for bad advice.
My current plan:
1. Build the Vifa solos I have laying around in kit form, and just give them to my friend for nothing.
2. make sure he has decent headphones.
3. Build a set of 2-ways using the 5" Tang Band and recessed Dayton ND20FB rear-mount tweeters (I was rummaging around in my stuff and realized that I already have 5 of them -- some HT idea that never took flight).
If the TB 2-ways tun out better than the vifas, great. If not, I'll just keep them and fiddle with them until they are decent PC speakers for my own use. I may start a new thread to discuss this design. When you call something a studio monitor, nobody wants to be held accountable for bad advice.
zuki said:
Do you not like building your own speakers? I thought the gist of this forum was to come up with DIY solutions.
I vote you stretch the budget if at all possible and spring for the Fr125s, they really are fantastic little speakers.
Actually, they are pretty flat if installed in the fostex BR cabinet. You might want a tweeter for extreme treble (>15kHz), but I wouldn't bother.
Added bonus.... they are shielded.
I would not hesitate to use these drivers, scrap the crossover and tweeter, and pocket the hundred bucks.
Hello,
I agree with bob hayes, except for the tweeter.
I did a pair of FE167E's and FT17H's in a 24L cabinet. They are great near field monitors.
The FE167E does not have a rising responce, they have a dip about 15K , and that is where I put the FT17H.
The FE127E's have a slight rising responce (more like a couple of peaks).
I would definately do some BSC on the FE167E's if you do not, the high end will take your ******* head off in the near field.
Out,
Robert
I agree with bob hayes, except for the tweeter.
I did a pair of FE167E's and FT17H's in a 24L cabinet. They are great near field monitors.
The FE167E does not have a rising responce, they have a dip about 15K , and that is where I put the FT17H.
The FE127E's have a slight rising responce (more like a couple of peaks).
I would definately do some BSC on the FE167E's if you do not, the high end will take your ******* head off in the near field.
Out,
Robert
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