how is the "length of coil" a factor in discussing BL??
L is length.
In building ribbons it often seems the low resistance designs sound somehow better than the high resistance designs
And this is basically at the same mass ( same foil thickness just more smaller runs of it in higher resistance designs)
No real scientific eval of this, it just seems that way often when playing around with making different designs.
Also not saying the lower resistance designs are actually technically better, they just seem to have some sort of desirable sonic quality.
It may be interesting to note that possibly the favorite ( by many) Apogee ribbon were their very low resistance designs. Amp eaters but......
Im not at all sure this has any connection to what Op is talking about
The resistance of the VC limits the damping factor, it limits it from all this DF of 1600 crap.
As »BL« per se says, it is a product of the magnetic flux in the VC gap and the total wire length within the gap, not the coil length.how is the "length of coil" a factor in discussing BL??
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If the 8 ohm version has twice the number of turns on the voice coil as does the 4 ohm version, the back EMF of the 8 ohm driver will be twice that of the 4 ohm driver.
This will result in the amplifier applying more negative feedback to the 8 ohm driver than it does to the 4 ohm driver, particularly in the bass region.
For both to obtain the same SPL (for the sake of comparison) the 8 ohm version is more likely to be overdriven at the very lowest frequencies as it needs to be driven at a higher signal voltage. The result is frequency doubling when displacement becomes limited.
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This will result in the amplifier applying more negative feedback to the 8 ohm driver than it does to the 4 ohm driver, particularly in the bass region.
For both to obtain the same SPL (for the sake of comparison) the 8 ohm version is more likely to be overdriven at the very lowest frequencies as it needs to be driven at a higher signal voltage. The result is frequency doubling when displacement becomes limited.
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The driving Voltage at the same time. Anyway, to be effective feedback tends to be greater than 18dB. Besides, ZOUT is usually significantly smaller than either 4 or 8.the back EMF of the 8 ohm driver
Where the amp wasn't designed to suit the given load and level, but this is an option?as it needs to be driven at a higher signal voltage.
in this definition from Eminence
BL
Expressed in Tesla meters, this is a measurement of the motor strength of a speaker. Think of this as how good a weightlifter the transducer is. A measured mass is applied to the cone forcing it back while the current required for the motor to force the mass back is measured. The formula is mass in grams divided by the current in amperes. A high BL figure indicates a very strong transducer that moves the cone with authority!
there's no mention of coil length.....?
BL
Expressed in Tesla meters, this is a measurement of the motor strength of a speaker. Think of this as how good a weightlifter the transducer is. A measured mass is applied to the cone forcing it back while the current required for the motor to force the mass back is measured. The formula is mass in grams divided by the current in amperes. A high BL figure indicates a very strong transducer that moves the cone with authority!
there's no mention of coil length.....?
"If the 8 ohm version has twice the number of turns on the voice coil as does the 4 ohm version, the back EMF of the 8 ohm driver will be twice that of the 4 ohm driver."
"the 8 ohm version is more likely to be overdriven at the very lowest frequencies as it needs to be driven at a higher signal voltage"
I don't think the latter necessarily follows, other factors in a design may influence things.
Back e.m.f., from memory, is given by;
V = - L . d fi/dt. It will be greater with the lower Z, and hence back e.m.f. will also.
"Expressed in Tesla meters," - Implicit in this is length, and yes, within the gap.
I've never seen any mention of weightlifters BTW.
"the 8 ohm version is more likely to be overdriven at the very lowest frequencies as it needs to be driven at a higher signal voltage"
I don't think the latter necessarily follows, other factors in a design may influence things.
Back e.m.f., from memory, is given by;
V = - L . d fi/dt. It will be greater with the lower Z, and hence back e.m.f. will also.
"Expressed in Tesla meters," - Implicit in this is length, and yes, within the gap.
I've never seen any mention of weightlifters BTW.
from wikipedia
One tesla is equal to one weber per square metre.
which is a unit of field strength over an area, so please show where "coil length" is factored.
One tesla is equal to one weber per square metre.
which is a unit of field strength over an area, so please show where "coil length" is factored.
Sorry, a mistake above it should have been V = - L dI/ dt.
Current is as previously posted, is greater in a smaller Z for a given voltage.
Current is as previously posted, is greater in a smaller Z for a given voltage.
Coil length is L in BL.from wikipedia
One tesla is equal to one weber per square metre.
which is a unit of field strength over an area, so please show where "coil length" is factored.
sorry gents still looking for corroboration of "coil length"
in this article discussing differences of Bl i still don't see mention of coil length or wire length(?)
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a02b/268115668f6af19b50279f0b31d2846297df.pdf
in this article discussing differences of Bl i still don't see mention of coil length or wire length(?)
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a02b/268115668f6af19b50279f0b31d2846297df.pdf
It is well known in the professional speaker design community that BL, the 'motor factor' is comprised of flux density and coil length.
F = BIL is universally taught at college; units;
Newtons, Wb/m^2, Amperes, metres.
I studied that 45 years ago and it hasn't changed.
F = BIL is universally taught at college; units;
Newtons, Wb/m^2, Amperes, metres.
I studied that 45 years ago and it hasn't changed.
not arguing, just need to understand better so any references or links you can provide would be appreciated.
Comparing the 4Ω and 8Ω versions of the Faital 12HP1060 show some differences.
Most obvious is the Mms of the 4Ω is 138.7g while the 8Ω is 126.9g
FaitalPRO | LF Loudspeakers | 12HP1060
Most obvious is the Mms of the 4Ω is 138.7g while the 8Ω is 126.9g
FaitalPRO | LF Loudspeakers | 12HP1060
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The resistance of the VC limits the damping factor, it limits it from all this DF of 1600 crap.
VC resistance is part of the driver impedance and thus already accounted for in DF.
What is not accounted for is the resistance of the cabling and any passive xover components.
VC resistance is part of the driver impedance and thus already accounted for in DF.
What is not accounted for is the resistance of the cabling and any passive xover components.
But manufacturers of amplifiers like to use the (inappropriate IMO), model of the ratio of the O/P Z of the amp to a nominal speaker Z, and this does not reflect reality.
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