🤔I don't remember who, I'll have to review it, but I was recommended an active crossover and I don't know which model.Jackaloop, Silivio Novis explained that he wants "audible excellence" in post 83 and is ready to go that extra mile. If he learns the active crossover setup you writing about, the 4 way solution is not that much harder but alot more masculine
🤔 What are the recommended measurements in a room for The Loudspeaker 1.?
The recommendation was to use a computer, I'm looking for the suggestion but I don't remember which topcp it was.
If you’re ok with using SigmaStudio or other apps and multi-way sound interfaces, sure. But otherwise MiniDSP or other solutions are just (more than) fine. But: are you willing to go the long way to succes on designing a system of your own?
Like Markbakk said, both options have pro and cons.
It'll depend of your geek-ery level with computer Silvio.
Could you first define what you plan as we have drifted a lot with our bla bla bla...
It'll depend of your geek-ery level with computer Silvio.
Could you first define what you plan as we have drifted a lot with our bla bla bla...
🔴 I was very interested in this solution. I have a stationary computer, Ryzen 2600 + 16GB DDR4.
Could you post the link to the audio card?
What is geek level?
What is geek level?
Don't worry, I read everything you write and learn a little 🤓😀
I know a lot about computers, I'm a gamer, inker in coreldraw, but I know computers and their basic programs, now specific software needs to be learned if necessary.
Ok, get Sigmastudio and game on! For interfaces: I’d consider an USB one with 8 analog out. Focusrite or ESI (Gigaport eX) is a good starting point, but I won’t stop you throwing money at Steinberg, RME or MOTU.
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Let's the fun begin with eveyrone advice his prefered choice. 😉
I will open my big mouth about it tonight or in next days as i'm working today and tomorrow.
I will open my big mouth about it tonight or in next days as i'm working today and tomorrow.
How does it work in practical, do you run your PC in the stack (only for filter or also internet?) and have remote keybord. Or do you have 8 long rca cables to the stack and a TV and a PC screen?
And can you run FIR filters on Sigma software?
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Some of your suggestions should be here in this store.
Please mark the specific link for each item, so that I don't make any mistakes when buying, the possibility of exchange is not feasible due to the distance between the continents.
I would like to review the three brands you mentioned:
Focusrite.
Steinberg.
MOTU.
👀 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=usb audio interface&sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_brand_name:steinberg
Focusrite,Rme and Motu are standard semi pro products. Very good in my experience. If you can find second hand do it. And don't trust the 'newer is better'.
I've not used recent Steinberg gear but the one i have were Cubase/Nuendo oriented despite use of Asio. Won't be usefull to you.
Don't be on a rush to buy something, there is things to consider beforehands.
Your journey is going to be a marathon not a sprint. Be ready to calm down yourself and being patient there is a lot to learn 😉
I've not used recent Steinberg gear but the one i have were Cubase/Nuendo oriented despite use of Asio. Won't be usefull to you.
Don't be on a rush to buy something, there is things to consider beforehands.
Your journey is going to be a marathon not a sprint. Be ready to calm down yourself and being patient there is a lot to learn 😉
The pro of dsp:
Dedicated units which gives everything you need to perform their tasks. Iow ( in other words) less risk to have something making trouble along the way...
Cons they are 'locked'. Minidsp HD change the game about that however: they have FIR capability so you can create a profile including anything you want into ( xover, eq, room correction,... whatever IIR or FIR). Their real limitation is so linked to cpu power but as Brett stated even a Celeron is ok for this tasks.
There is (usually) no microphone preamp and ADC ( converters) present and you'll need them ( you'll need to measure so you'll need a mic too). So even if cheaper at first sight you'll need a soundcard and a computer as well as mic, cable and stand. Once all taken into account this is not as cheap anymore...
Pro for computer based:
Open architecture. You can choose each components individually and 'upgrade' if you want to. Your soundcard will integrate mic dedicated input so you can run everything you need from only one box ( measurement, process, your player,...).
Cons:
It's an open architecture! 😉 it is easier to get lost when possibilities are endless. And it doesn't take into account the risk of incompatibility or bugs... iow if you are not ready to troubleshoot don't do it!
Brett and i have close configurations but we come from pro world. We are used to do that kind of things and can handle issues either from experience either because we learned it.
By itself it took a good amount of time of my former works as studio engineer ( deal with software/computer) and as i taught those techniques in an audio school i know we are not all equal to this things: some people doesn't understand this whatever you do... Your a geek so it shouldn't be an issue for you, but you'll need to study this ( as well as how to take measurements and interpret them).
It won't come in a day or two, not even in weeks in my experience.
Could you tell us what are the media you use for playback? Do you have analog and or dedicated source ( Tape/cassette players, TT ( vinyl turntable), CD, receiver, streaming,...).
It could help too to define a 'best' choice of characteristics for your needs.
Dedicated units which gives everything you need to perform their tasks. Iow ( in other words) less risk to have something making trouble along the way...
Cons they are 'locked'. Minidsp HD change the game about that however: they have FIR capability so you can create a profile including anything you want into ( xover, eq, room correction,... whatever IIR or FIR). Their real limitation is so linked to cpu power but as Brett stated even a Celeron is ok for this tasks.
There is (usually) no microphone preamp and ADC ( converters) present and you'll need them ( you'll need to measure so you'll need a mic too). So even if cheaper at first sight you'll need a soundcard and a computer as well as mic, cable and stand. Once all taken into account this is not as cheap anymore...
Pro for computer based:
Open architecture. You can choose each components individually and 'upgrade' if you want to. Your soundcard will integrate mic dedicated input so you can run everything you need from only one box ( measurement, process, your player,...).
Cons:
It's an open architecture! 😉 it is easier to get lost when possibilities are endless. And it doesn't take into account the risk of incompatibility or bugs... iow if you are not ready to troubleshoot don't do it!
Brett and i have close configurations but we come from pro world. We are used to do that kind of things and can handle issues either from experience either because we learned it.
By itself it took a good amount of time of my former works as studio engineer ( deal with software/computer) and as i taught those techniques in an audio school i know we are not all equal to this things: some people doesn't understand this whatever you do... Your a geek so it shouldn't be an issue for you, but you'll need to study this ( as well as how to take measurements and interpret them).
It won't come in a day or two, not even in weeks in my experience.
Could you tell us what are the media you use for playback? Do you have analog and or dedicated source ( Tape/cassette players, TT ( vinyl turntable), CD, receiver, streaming,...).
It could help too to define a 'best' choice of characteristics for your needs.
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The dsp part if you go computer way:
As already pointed there is a number of software to perform xover tasks. They exist for different OS and offers different options.
Be careful that drivers are different for each OS and the mains one used in pro/semipro world are Apple and Windows. The brands we talked about don't all have Alsa drivers making Linux a no go ( usually, but i have minimal experience with it and with older gear).
I'm a windows guy ( i used Apple however cause Protools was the standard when i was active in studio and historicaly it was an Apple soft).
With windows you have no choice if you don't want trouble: you'll need ASIO drivers. As this is a registered protocol not all diy soft accept it ( iirc this might be for another reason).
This will restrain possibilities of software by itself.
I've used DAW ( Digital Audio Workstation, Cubase, Reaper, Protools,...) to implement this kind of tasks. It is possible but not something for a beginner as you'll have to deal with advanced features and routing. And from an ergonomy pov it can be a nightmare to operate...
In my view a soft like Jreaver is perfect for home use: it is as well a player as the processor of audio task ( dsp) it is ASIO/VST compatible and all is embeded in a gui ( with give access to advanced feature without needing a PhD) with a huge number of users, some of them being members here and which implemented sosphisticated/complex duties with them ( Wesayso but don't tell i mentioned his avatar's name 😉 ).
Their might be limitation with 'live signal' thought ( if you want tv or radio playthrough realtime but no worries if you only play offline media).
For measurement on pc: REW.
For filter, eq, etc,etc, profile generation: Rephase.
If you need some other treatments like reverb, limiters, compressors,.... Vst plugins are supported by Jrivers.
Mic : ecm8000, dayton,... are enough ime ( as long as they have calibration files). Don't go usb route, take one you can plug in your soundcard.
Except Jriver and daw all are free/donationware. Aren't we lucky to have such kind people as their developpers?
As already pointed there is a number of software to perform xover tasks. They exist for different OS and offers different options.
Be careful that drivers are different for each OS and the mains one used in pro/semipro world are Apple and Windows. The brands we talked about don't all have Alsa drivers making Linux a no go ( usually, but i have minimal experience with it and with older gear).
I'm a windows guy ( i used Apple however cause Protools was the standard when i was active in studio and historicaly it was an Apple soft).
With windows you have no choice if you don't want trouble: you'll need ASIO drivers. As this is a registered protocol not all diy soft accept it ( iirc this might be for another reason).
This will restrain possibilities of software by itself.
I've used DAW ( Digital Audio Workstation, Cubase, Reaper, Protools,...) to implement this kind of tasks. It is possible but not something for a beginner as you'll have to deal with advanced features and routing. And from an ergonomy pov it can be a nightmare to operate...
In my view a soft like Jreaver is perfect for home use: it is as well a player as the processor of audio task ( dsp) it is ASIO/VST compatible and all is embeded in a gui ( with give access to advanced feature without needing a PhD) with a huge number of users, some of them being members here and which implemented sosphisticated/complex duties with them ( Wesayso but don't tell i mentioned his avatar's name 😉 ).
Their might be limitation with 'live signal' thought ( if you want tv or radio playthrough realtime but no worries if you only play offline media).
For measurement on pc: REW.
For filter, eq, etc,etc, profile generation: Rephase.
If you need some other treatments like reverb, limiters, compressors,.... Vst plugins are supported by Jrivers.
Mic : ecm8000, dayton,... are enough ime ( as long as they have calibration files). Don't go usb route, take one you can plug in your soundcard.
Except Jriver and daw all are free/donationware. Aren't we lucky to have such kind people as their developpers?
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I still suggest you go with a two way and a sub but if you insist on going with a four way then I would definitely go with a DSP. You said that you live in Brazil right? You know there are a number of manufacturers in Brazil for DSP units for pretty cheap. They are generally marketed towards car audio but that doesn't really matter you will just need to pick up a 12 to 14 volt external power supply (wall wart) to power it but they do the same thing though.
There is always the Dayton Audio 4 x 8 DSP that sells for under $200.00 USD
https://www.parts-express.com/Dayto...gnal-Processor-for-Home-and-Car-Audio-230-500
If you can spend more money there is this.
https://www.parts-express.com/miniDSP-4x10-Hd-2-Analog-In-8-Analog-Out-2-Digital-In-Out-DSP-230-338
To get a good understanding of DSP here is a great resource. There is a whole library linked at the bottom of the page.
https://www.analog.com/en/design-center/landing-pages/001/beginners-guide-to-dsp.html
The PC option. If your current sound card has native 7.1 surround then it can be used if you use your center and sub channels as well. Otherwise you will need a new sound card, internal or external. A pro card might give you more interface options and channels but they can get very expensive and you need to make sure that the card doesn't have compatibility problems with the Ryzen chip set like my does.
Soft ware you can use.
APO Windows EQ (you will need the GUI for it to make it useful unless you are a command line geek)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/equalizerapo/files/1.2.1/
GUI
https://sourceforge.net/projects/peace-equalizer-apo-extension/
or
https://sourceforge.net/projects/eqapo-gui/
Here is another option that is a little more involved but does more.
https://vb-audio.com/Voicemeeter/potato.htm
Here is a free measuring software. This can help you build your x-over filters.
https://www.roomeqwizard.com/
For simulation software there is VituixCad2. It is really powerful piece of kit but there is a pretty steep learning curve.
https://kimmosaunisto.net/Software/Software.html
You will also need a measuring mic like.
https://www.parts-express.com/miniD...USB-Measurement-Calibrated-Microphone-230-332
or
https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-UMM-6-USB-Measurement-Microphone-390-808
That should get you started.
There is always the Dayton Audio 4 x 8 DSP that sells for under $200.00 USD
https://www.parts-express.com/Dayto...gnal-Processor-for-Home-and-Car-Audio-230-500
If you can spend more money there is this.
https://www.parts-express.com/miniDSP-4x10-Hd-2-Analog-In-8-Analog-Out-2-Digital-In-Out-DSP-230-338
To get a good understanding of DSP here is a great resource. There is a whole library linked at the bottom of the page.
https://www.analog.com/en/design-center/landing-pages/001/beginners-guide-to-dsp.html
The PC option. If your current sound card has native 7.1 surround then it can be used if you use your center and sub channels as well. Otherwise you will need a new sound card, internal or external. A pro card might give you more interface options and channels but they can get very expensive and you need to make sure that the card doesn't have compatibility problems with the Ryzen chip set like my does.
Soft ware you can use.
APO Windows EQ (you will need the GUI for it to make it useful unless you are a command line geek)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/equalizerapo/files/1.2.1/
GUI
https://sourceforge.net/projects/peace-equalizer-apo-extension/
or
https://sourceforge.net/projects/eqapo-gui/
Here is another option that is a little more involved but does more.
https://vb-audio.com/Voicemeeter/potato.htm
Here is a free measuring software. This can help you build your x-over filters.
https://www.roomeqwizard.com/
For simulation software there is VituixCad2. It is really powerful piece of kit but there is a pretty steep learning curve.
https://kimmosaunisto.net/Software/Software.html
You will also need a measuring mic like.
https://www.parts-express.com/miniD...USB-Measurement-Calibrated-Microphone-230-332
or
https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-UMM-6-USB-Measurement-Microphone-390-808
That should get you started.