I'm not quite sure I understand correctly what you mean, but anyway, granted, changes cost a lot. And not all people have flexibility like I do...... 🤣
P.S:
Actually, my opinion is that the boys of the western/ south side of the USA still retain many traits of the culture of the "Wild West", including the use of weapons.
But, period for me, friend, we are on the edge of the precipice .....(rules) 😳
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I was looking for a non Lithium 9v battery for my smoke alarm but there are none to be found at my local supermarket, only Lithium versions.
I specifically bought a smoke detector with a lithium battery in it because you don't have to change it for the life of the smoke detector - it's built in and when it goes low you "kill" it with a switch and drop it off with batteries to be recycled/recovered.
On a side note, I see a few people in this thread who have had fires say they rushed and brought the device outside, then out it out.
A former volunteer fireman told me to not do this (doesn't matter if fire started by battery or not). By carrying it through your house, you're liable to set other things on fire. He recommended leaving it in place and putting the fire out there.
Don't know if that's always true, but it seems to have some merit.
A former volunteer fireman told me to not do this (doesn't matter if fire started by battery or not). By carrying it through your house, you're liable to set other things on fire. He recommended leaving it in place and putting the fire out there.
Don't know if that's always true, but it seems to have some merit.
It seems logical, but I think it will depend on the device that is setting fire. In the case of a lit battery, it will take longer to look for protective gloves, or a shovel (if any) to take it and move it, than to attack the batteries with a fire extinguisher. Another question arises here, in the case of a scooter battery, which is much larger than a smartphone battery, will a fire extinguisher approved for automobiles work?
I suppose so, they are foam and prepared for electricity.
And what happens with a bucket of water? Hmmm, I think it won't even tickle him and we run the risk of electrocution if the battery was plugged into the charger......
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Working on Li battery packs is hazardous, you do so at your own risk. I don't recommend DIY with lithium ion battery packs.
For small packs dropping them in a sink full of water is pretty effective, extinguishes the fire and cools adjoining cells if not yet on fire. Class D extinguishers are also effective. Drowning the fire is the aim here.
For larger packs type ABC type extinguishers are recommended.
Traditional fire extinguishers are not always effective.
There are also blankets intended specifically for use in extinguishing battery fires followed by flooding with water.
If you work with Li batteries a sand filled fire approved steel bucket with tight fitting steel lid is a good thing to have right by your work area.
This is by no means comprehensive and you should always check for best practices for extinguishing Li battery fires with your local fire department or other qualified body.
For small packs dropping them in a sink full of water is pretty effective, extinguishes the fire and cools adjoining cells if not yet on fire. Class D extinguishers are also effective. Drowning the fire is the aim here.
For larger packs type ABC type extinguishers are recommended.
Traditional fire extinguishers are not always effective.
There are also blankets intended specifically for use in extinguishing battery fires followed by flooding with water.
If you work with Li batteries a sand filled fire approved steel bucket with tight fitting steel lid is a good thing to have right by your work area.
This is by no means comprehensive and you should always check for best practices for extinguishing Li battery fires with your local fire department or other qualified body.
I went to see my home fire extinguisher......
Carbon dioxide fire extinguisher ( CO2 ) Charge expiration date 06/01/06. First day of the month of June of the year 2006 😳
Suitable for type B and C fires, (I'm missing A), OMG, how time flies! I think I'll go for a new one or a recharge, I'll see what they advise me in the specialized store.
Thanks for shaking me out of my drowsiness, Kevin ! 😉
Carbon dioxide fire extinguisher ( CO2 ) Charge expiration date 06/01/06. First day of the month of June of the year 2006 😳
Suitable for type B and C fires, (I'm missing A), OMG, how time flies! I think I'll go for a new one or a recharge, I'll see what they advise me in the specialized store.
Thanks for shaking me out of my drowsiness, Kevin ! 😉
These regulations do not pretend to be universal, but I suppose they do not differ much from other countries.
What are the types of fire extinguishers?
Fire extinguishers are classified according to the type of fire they can put out and the agents they contain:
According to the type of fire ❗
Class A: The extinguisher fights fires with solid fuels such as paper, plastic, cloth, wood, waste, etc.
Class B: Fire with liquid fuels such as gasoline, oil and paints. It can also be used in cases of fire with gases such as butane and propane.
Class C: To put out fires that occur in electrical installations and equipment.
Class D: For metals that burn like magnesium, sodium or aluminum.
According to its composition:
Depending on the type of components of the extinguisher, it will serve for certain types of fire:
Water: For fires with solid fuels such as wood, plastics, paper, garbage, fabrics, etc. It is not used on all fires.
Foam: It is used in fires involving liquid materials such as oil, fuel or paint. DO NOT use on gas or electrical fires.
Chemical powder: Another component that fire extinguishers or fire extinguishers may have, in turn they are classified as:
ABC: They are used for fires caused by solid fuels such as wood, plastics, paper and also for liquid, gas or electrical fires. NOT to be used for metal fires.
Potassium: It is used for fires with solid, liquid, electrical and gaseous material. It should also not be used for fires with metal.
CC2: Fires caused by liquids and electricity. Not used for gas, metal or pan fires.
Dry powders: They are used mainly for fires caused by metals such as magnesium, sodium and aluminum powder.
What are the types of fire extinguishers?
Fire extinguishers are classified according to the type of fire they can put out and the agents they contain:
According to the type of fire ❗
Class A: The extinguisher fights fires with solid fuels such as paper, plastic, cloth, wood, waste, etc.
Class B: Fire with liquid fuels such as gasoline, oil and paints. It can also be used in cases of fire with gases such as butane and propane.
Class C: To put out fires that occur in electrical installations and equipment.
Class D: For metals that burn like magnesium, sodium or aluminum.
According to its composition:
Depending on the type of components of the extinguisher, it will serve for certain types of fire:
Water: For fires with solid fuels such as wood, plastics, paper, garbage, fabrics, etc. It is not used on all fires.
Foam: It is used in fires involving liquid materials such as oil, fuel or paint. DO NOT use on gas or electrical fires.
Chemical powder: Another component that fire extinguishers or fire extinguishers may have, in turn they are classified as:
ABC: They are used for fires caused by solid fuels such as wood, plastics, paper and also for liquid, gas or electrical fires. NOT to be used for metal fires.
Potassium: It is used for fires with solid, liquid, electrical and gaseous material. It should also not be used for fires with metal.
CC2: Fires caused by liquids and electricity. Not used for gas, metal or pan fires.
Dry powders: They are used mainly for fires caused by metals such as magnesium, sodium and aluminum powder.
Lithium batteries release toxic smoke, just run away.
Don't know if anyone mentioned this. Burning batteries while charging is one thing but electric car accidents are what really worry me. Find a video of a guy putting a nail thru a small Li battery. Now imagine an engine block going thru the 100kg of car Li batteries.
You could always install a Halon system... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromotrifluoromethane
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Yea, my parents died when they where rear ended, the gas tank blew up.
You'ld think we would make a new technology safer.
You'ld think we would make a new technology safer.
I have never seen a Class D. (I have six ABC around the house.)
Turns out I can buy one.... $844!
https://www.homedepot.com/p/AMEREX-...-FM-Approved-Fire-Extinguisher-B570/316899242
And it disclaims "Lithium batteries".
"MODEL C571 contains a copper extinguishing agent specially developed by the U.S. Navy for fighting lithium and lithium alloy fires.
The copper compound smothers the fire and provides an excellent heat sink for dissipating heat. Copper powder has been found
to be superior to all other known fire extinguishing agents for lithium metal fires. Not recommended for lithium-ion battery fires."
https://images.thdstatic.com/catalog/pdfImages/58/582f2419-8f24-455e-b0d4-b741d5d75cf0.pdf
So I don't know.
EDIT - similar sold for $650:
https://www.fire-end.com/class-d-fire-extinguishers
The burning Tesla in California, apparently 6,000 gallons of water was effective. But California does not need more strain on its thin water supply.
If I understand the Wikipedia page about lithium-ion batteries correctly, it's the electrolyte rather than the electrodes that burns. Although one electrode is made of a lithium compound, it is not made of pure lithium and the electrolyte is some special waterless liquid made of quite flammable liquid polymeres and a lithium salt. Maybe that's why an extinguisher for lithium doesn't work on lithium batteries.
The lifestyle and wide open expansive terrains and deserts and woody swamps means theres anywhere from 1 to 4 all terrain vehicles out in the garage. Bikes and a big block chevy that gets about 3 miles per gallon.
I usually have an offroad toy kicking around, it will be a sad day if petrol disappeared over night. Its so woven in to most peoples lifestyle to say the least. Most of my fondest memories include wheels of some kind.
But since they are recreationally for the most part, that see more or less weekend duty. That means the rest of the week the alcohol still can be running.
For rec vehicles it wouldn't be as inconvenient.
On the other hand trying to keep a daily driver car fed all year could become tedious. If you have a really streamline system however it can be done with fewer headaches once you get the hang of it.