Maop10.2 is an extremely good full-range driver.
You just sit and enjoy when you use them. I have them in miniOnken boxes. Constructor planet10 (dave) has managed to produce these. Can think that they beat most speakers on the market.
The drivers are matched with high precision to a pair. Which gives a razor-sharp midrange sound with a small mouth when others spread out.
That's what you have to pay extra for and it's worth every penny.
You just sit and enjoy when you use them. I have them in miniOnken boxes. Constructor planet10 (dave) has managed to produce these. Can think that they beat most speakers on the market.
The drivers are matched with high precision to a pair. Which gives a razor-sharp midrange sound with a small mouth when others spread out.
That's what you have to pay extra for and it's worth every penny.
I don't think many people are enthusiastic about hearing aids, but they are likely the better/safer alternative. They have built in limiting to prevent further damage to hearing. Good ones are also far more complex than simple amplification/equalization.
Equalization of a stereo might be reasonable for mild issues, but with more extreme cases where very high output is required to compensate I would be concerned about accelerating hearing loss.
Indeed, though as long as we can hear the telephone BWs (250 - 2.5 kHz analog, 300 - 3 Khz digital) 'good enough' we can still 'feel' the missing HF BW on our faces thanks to having very complex processors (brains) to blend it together and why when I've built speech/center speakers for the seriously (workplace/age) hearing impaired I acoustically limit them to the ~250 - 3 kHz BW.
I think we are really on the same page. When I was referring to a 5 to 6" full range that was with regard to the overall frame diameter. Those typically have an actual cone diameter of something like 3.5".
Because you cant do a limit and hope that sound is good all the way to that limit. You need some margin. Even technically this makes sense. A filter set to 4k will already have started to drop a 1 dB or so and has phase variations.
All these parameters are not like brick walls - there is a soft transition band...
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I'm sure that they would sound great, but at $507 per pair I'll pass. I think I can find something that will be very satisfying for a lot less.
Yes.. I used the word 'about' to indicate this. If you really want to know the breakup details for a particular driver you can look at polar measurements.
We are not talking about a filter with a roll off. We are talking about the actual frequency response curve of the driver. And for many of these small full range drivers the FR is very flat out to about 4K. So, if my hearing drops off very rapidly above 4K, which it does, why do I need speakers that extend into that area?
I think in this situation I would put an EQ in the chain so that when listening solo I could boost the highs. When other people are in the room I would remove the EQ.
Rob.
Rob.
That's not quite the issue. I listen alone.
The problem is that my high end roll off is so steep that to boost it enough to compensate I would likely be blasting the sound into the rest of the house and annoying my wife. I'm not sure I can even compensate enough for it anyhow.
The problem is that my high end roll off is so steep that to boost it enough to compensate I would likely be blasting the sound into the rest of the house and annoying my wife. I'm not sure I can even compensate enough for it anyhow.
Well, I can only add my own personal experience to this.
I listen mostly to classical music and have had hearing issues most of my life. I tended to always feel like the OP, that I was not missing much.
And then earlier this year I got hearing aids.
The biggest improvement to my hearing with the hearing aids has been with listening to music, both recorded and live in concert.
I recently attended my first Melbourne Symphony concert since I got the hearing aids, I was just amazed at the sound of the orchestra now.
Good input and glad to know that you were able to enjoy the concert better with the hearing aids.
I'm really trying to address a somewhat different matter. Namely, whether a full range driver would be preferable to a 2-way speaker below about 5 KHz.
The full range would get rid of any crossover introduced issues, particularly with regard to coherence. Although there seems to be various opinions as to whether coherence is a real issue or not.
I'm really trying to address a somewhat different matter. Namely, whether a full range driver would be preferable to a 2-way speaker below about 5 KHz.
The full range would get rid of any crossover introduced issues, particularly with regard to coherence. Although there seems to be various opinions as to whether coherence is a real issue or not.
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The larger issue is that you cannot hear very well, even though you of course hear everything that you are able to hear.
Making compromises to accommodate that leads to more and more compromises down the road that rarely satisfy. It can be never ending.
But it is your choice.
Making compromises to accommodate that leads to more and more compromises down the road that rarely satisfy. It can be never ending.
But it is your choice.
My point of introducing deliberately a lift >2k by the means of a CD (argh!) is the same operated by any device that needs to repair/replace the loss.
Probably it re-synthesizes the higher harmonics into the wave form, somehow...
But manipulations inside the ear channel are not my interest, so I suggested what I experimented...it costs 100$ instead of 8000$ and operates in large environment i.e. rooms, patios ...🙂
Probably it re-synthesizes the higher harmonics into the wave form, somehow...
But manipulations inside the ear channel are not my interest, so I suggested what I experimented...it costs 100$ instead of 8000$ and operates in large environment i.e. rooms, patios ...🙂
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I've thought about that... High End DIY hearing aids...
A backpack battery, a hat with a couple of FET boards on top and a few LEDs.
Blue of course.
What exactly is your budget?
It's hard to give you an answer... someone gave you one but you felt it was too expensive... so....
I think the issue with a single full range speaker is that full orchestral music has a lot of bass energy and you need something that can swing with that.
BTW, do you miss the shimmering of the brass instruments? Cymbals?