cpc.farnell.com
They have plenty of Visaton, Eminence, Beyma, Faital Pro, Fane, and lots of stuff from the MCM website - you can cross reference there as cpc doesn't always have the complete information.
I personally find that I don't know enough of the electronics side to make (from scratch) amplifiers of greater power output, lower distortion, and increased reliability than something I can buy of ebay for £50 delivered (that was a 120w/ch amp, used).
Chris
They have plenty of Visaton, Eminence, Beyma, Faital Pro, Fane, and lots of stuff from the MCM website - you can cross reference there as cpc doesn't always have the complete information.
I personally find that I don't know enough of the electronics side to make (from scratch) amplifiers of greater power output, lower distortion, and increased reliability than something I can buy of ebay for £50 delivered (that was a 120w/ch amp, used).
Chris
I found these people but I have not bought anything from them (yet) so I can't say much other than SB Acoutstics drivers are coming currently with free delivery:
Falcon Acoustics | The Leading DIY Speaker Parts and Kit Supplier since 1972
With a bit of patience amps are dirt cheap on ebay. I bought £4800 worth of amps (4 in total) for £770 so there is not much point in making my own.
On the other hand I built a pair of sub woofers for about £700 the pair which have a list price of £2600 each.
Falcon Acoustics | The Leading DIY Speaker Parts and Kit Supplier since 1972
With a bit of patience amps are dirt cheap on ebay. I bought £4800 worth of amps (4 in total) for £770 so there is not much point in making my own.
On the other hand I built a pair of sub woofers for about £700 the pair which have a list price of £2600 each.
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Was this the infamous Mission 753 "freedom" perchance?
Sreten,
I think DIY is far more fascinating today than it ever was. People have far more choice and can build product tailored to their needs. You have access to high quality drive units and other components from anywhere in the world with a few key strokes.
Diy'ers have access to others data, knowledge and experience in a way few could have dreamt of a few decades ago.
We know the price of components in the UK is high in rip off Britain. You are moaning about economies of scale, mass production, dirt cheap Chinese labour and professional design making things cheap!
At least the masses will have an opportunity to be introduced to sound quality probably better than a typical micro system affordably.
That said a dirt cheap budget floorstander would be a poor choice imho. For that tight a budget it is better to get a small mini monitor and listen at sensible volumes.
Usually I find the cheap tweeters in entry level speakers produce a very jarring sound, especially as the volumes creeps up.
Budget floorstanders are typically very boxy to a degree that makes me wonder if some diyers go straight to open baffle from cheap box speakers.
Who would you want to put the effort in for bottom rung Hi-Fi performance?
Who would spend many hours of their life to reproduce mediocre results?
Helmuth's speaker pictures are a great example of what you can do with diy. These huge diy speakers would be extremely expensive in the UK because the market for designs this large is truly miniscule. This means pricies of product like this have to be understandably high.
Hi Rob,
Given that Mission is a going concern and I'm in the industry I do not think it would be quite cricket to be any more specific than I was...
Ciao T
Given that Mission is a going concern and I'm in the industry I do not think it would be quite cricket to be any more specific than I was...
Ciao T
all the very popular speaker I have listened to were only just bareable
I have never owned any plug and play commercial speaker
mind you, even the DIY speakers are all individually probably as different as the commercial ones are
I don't think they can all be 'right', can they ?
I have never owned any plug and play commercial speaker
mind you, even the DIY speakers are all individually probably as different as the commercial ones are
I don't think they can all be 'right', can they ?
This is just prejudice, perhaps from a series of bad experiences.
I am damned sure you could find many commercial models that you would like. whether you personally could afford the best of them.........
famous brand usually dissapoint on lower price products.
if its above $1500, usually easier to find a good performance bookshelf/monitor.
if its above $1500, usually easier to find a good performance bookshelf/monitor.
You guys, you're so precious and snobbish, like a bunch of teenage heiresses. Dealing with audio habitually has destroyed all your normal sensibilities. Anybody living in the 1st. world can buy or build an acceptable pair of speakers for $300, which is still more than some people in the 3rd. world try to live on for a whole year. You can get a pair of IEMs that are practically beyond reproach for <$100.
Ooh, I couldn't live with those. They're a POS.
40-odd years ago we were still listening to open-backed valve radios. We made better recordings then than the overcompressed rubbish everybody complains about now.
Get a sense of perspective.
Hey, I didn't say they were a POS!
For the BOM I expect they are decent enough value for what it's worth. That doesn't mean they are any good or a good use of the budget.
Incidently does POS stand for "piece of s***"? I always thought it stood for point of sale.
I agree that many of the recordings back then were better than now. Too many opportunties to ruin the sound now. Ironically this is because we have better technology today.
The best modern recordings can be really excellent. Typical compressed Pop music is another matter.
we does not include me nor did it include the majority of Britons.
"Transistor Radio" had taken over from "Valved Wireless", transistors had even taken over from valved TVs.
But today valves and open backed still have a devout following, who'll take more than a cheap snipe from you to convince them they are wrong.
Hi,
So would I, but I've listened to them and they are not POS, and IMO
very good value for what they are, and impossible to build for the price.
They are not great, but surprisingly adequate, personally I'd detune
the PR somewhat and the treble needs knocking back a touch, but
basically there is nothing much wrong with them for the price.
Yes, there are always going to be poorly designed speakers, that to
me doesn't really come into it, because there are also good designs.
rgds, sreten.
I agree, diy can't compete at the bottom end but once we go up the quality/cost tree diy does break even fairly soon and the higher we go the larger the potential savings.
Plus we get to choose our own set of compromises rather than relying on the choices of others. For better or for worse…
Plus we get to choose our own set of compromises rather than relying on the choices of others. For better or for worse…
Hi, A leading remark that insults the intelligent. Keep it straight. rgds, sreten.
Hi,
So, you are going to replace your current speakers with them?
Sounds like above average for what you normally get at the price. As I pointed out, accidents happen. Another such accident were the Insignia Coax Speakers that used to be all the rage a while back in the US.
Well, Sturgon's law and all, innit?
To be honest, I'd probably look more at the pro-audio market where for example the Samson Rubicon series of Monitors offers smashing value for value and a sound that is rather good in an absolute sense, though it is possible to improve the electronics for these A LOT.
Ciao T
So, you are going to replace your current speakers with them?
Sounds like above average for what you normally get at the price. As I pointed out, accidents happen. Another such accident were the Insignia Coax Speakers that used to be all the rage a while back in the US.
Well, Sturgon's law and all, innit?
To be honest, I'd probably look more at the pro-audio market where for example the Samson Rubicon series of Monitors offers smashing value for value and a sound that is rather good in an absolute sense, though it is possible to improve the electronics for these A LOT.
Ciao T
It never did. 😉
Most of the DIY kit's and components always exceeded the price of mass market equipment and parts.
I don't think quality DIY efforts at a cheap price were ever really a goal.
As for sourcing parts..
The tax system is abusive in the UK.. but then it is as well in the US, just not AS abusive as the UK.
Frankly I wonder why other world-wide sources aren't under-cutting US suppliers (substantially). Cost of living may be going up in other nations, (increasing all costs in general), but many still have lower taxation - especially for businesses. My only guess is *greed*, and the general stupidity of consumers to pay.
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