By wavebourne - Don't forget that the answer will be, "because they love specific class A or tube distortions"
Or the lack of those distortions! The 200w stealth was my only shot
at hearing that much power minus the dreaded Xover distortion. By setting a new "reference" in a fanatics mind (as a class B man) , the switching in similarly powered B's became much more noticeable after this.
OS
syn08 said:
This is totally wrong (and I am dead serious). Perfect accuracy is not necessary pleasant, its the less damage that an audio system can do. If one does not like the sound of accuracy, then he should look after a less accurate system that would make him happy. At the same time though, he should refrain in extrapolating his preferences, understanding that he's after his own private Nirvana.
There's nothing wrong in one appreciating the warm sound of 10% 2nd harmonic distortions but its wrong to state that is the best sound since sliced bread.
I never said that the most preferable sound came from the more perfect equipment. But it is wrong to assert that the more perfect equipment is doing a poorer job just because someone prefers their signal to be altered or colored more by inferior equipment.
If someone likes the coloration added by an inferior amplifier then the blame should be put on the inadequacies of the source material and not the technically superior amplifier which is doing a better job at faithfully reproducing the source material fed to it.
regards
trev
PMA said:There is nothing like 'pleasant distortion' - just a cheap shot.
Rather, an excuse for those who don't understand why people prefer what he/she thinks is less accurate.
Oh no. They let me back. How is everyone? Solving the audio problems that we still need to solve, I hope.
Wavebourn said:
Rather, an excuse for those who don't understand why people prefer what he/she thinks is less accurate.
No. It is possible to get both very low distortion and pleasant, natural sound. Not with opamps and lot of global NFB. Everyone can use an opamp according to a datasheet cookbook. You need no skills for it.
john curl said:Oh no. They let me back. How is everyone? Solving the audio problems that we still need to solve, I hope.
Welcome back John. Did you enjoy your 'sabbatical week'?
Cheers,
Edmond.
About half year ago You wrote " this amplifier si excellent" to amplifier with booth, opamps in signal path and global NFB in power stage. WHY? According your´s statement it is impossible!... or maybe not? You are too radical..It is possible to get both very low distortion and pleasant, natural sound. Not with opamps and lot of global NFB.
john curl said:Oh no. They let me back. How is everyone? Solving the audio problems that we still need to solve, I hope.
Welcome back John! 😉
PMA said:
No. It is possible to get both very low distortion and pleasant, natural sound. Not with opamps and lot of global NFB. Everyone can use an opamp according to a datasheet cookbook. You need no skills for it.
What means "No"? Did I say that it is impossible to " to get both very low distortion and pleasant, natural sound"? Please don't put your words in my mouth anymore. Ok?
john curl said:Oh no. They let me back. How is everyone? Solving the audio problems that we still need to solve, I hope.
Welcome back John! Have you enjoyed "the other place"?
PMA said:Not with opamps and lot of global NFB. Everyone can use an opamp according to a datasheet cookbook. You need no skills for it.
That is utterly BS.
Just in case, let me draw you a picture:

Still not clear? What about this one? :bs:
I'll take it back if you could explain what is the connection between the "everyone can use an opamp" and the sound quality. Perhaps the responsability for the "good sound" was delegated to the opamp designer? Ah, I got it now, opamps don't sell in audio, you need to add one of the above ingredients to be a "successfull" audio designer.
Hi John,
I got a call from someone about PIM last week, I told him to read Bob's AES paper but I mentioned that you are also interested in this. He said he wanted to actually measure some of the newer op-amps.
Not the Grateful Dead - 🙂 ->www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOQrPKuV4Ow
I got a call from someone about PIM last week, I told him to read Bob's AES paper but I mentioned that you are also interested in this. He said he wanted to actually measure some of the newer op-amps.
Not the Grateful Dead - 🙂 ->www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOQrPKuV4Ow
PMA said:There is nothing like 'pleasant distortion' - just a cheap shot.
True. But it seems like there's a "PMA zero distortion". Good luck finding your own private suckers to sell this.
scott wurcer said:
Do you know if his voice sounds such a way, or is it an equipment that distorts it?
Wavebourn said:
Do you know if his voice sounds such a way, or is it an equipment that distorts it?
I suspect screaming into a cheap mic doesn't help. Just my way of welcoming JC back to the "pub". 🙂

scott wurcer said:
I suspect screaming into a cheap mic doesn't help. Just my way of welcoming JC back to the "pub". 🙂![]()
My question was very practical: if it is his natural voice my system would help to bring his subtle details to listeners, but if it is an equipment that distorts my gear would be definitely disqualified, like it was disqualified once when a DJ could not force it to start clipping. I had to use console's hard limiters to regain my reputation because the power amp starts wildly compressing instead of clipping. 😎
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