A possible defense for someone unwilling to reply a direct and relevant question is naming others "trolls".
Anyhow, names calling points at the caller, more than anything else.
Anyhow, names calling points at the caller, more than anything else.
SY said:
SY
That's a good test procedure, but I think it's quite important that the one that is in control of the cables and swapping them don't know what cables he is dealing with, and is not importing or selling cables.
In other words he or she doesn’t make business in the test result.
Stinius
We all do have one thing in common, a passion for sound and music. Some are more interested in the former and some the latter, to each their own.
If one concentrates too much on the sound and less on the performance, the gear will become a 'hindrance' to musical enjoyment instead of 'the means'. This because you will always find something to criticise about the sound no matter what you do or how much you spend, it is the nature of things. Two camps exist with the same goal, perfect sound. I just try to "curb my enthusiasm."
If one concentrates too much on the sound and less on the performance, the gear will become a 'hindrance' to musical enjoyment instead of 'the means'. This because you will always find something to criticise about the sound no matter what you do or how much you spend, it is the nature of things. Two camps exist with the same goal, perfect sound. I just try to "curb my enthusiasm."
stinius said:
As long as the test subject and the experimenter are isolated, that won't really matter. If the experimenter had a financial or emotional stake in the outcome, I would add in two further controls:
1. A third party holds the key sheet, and the subject's test sheet is given to that party.
2. The experimenter would not have access to any part of the setup where levels could be altered.
fredex said:
Yes I agree
Personally I enjoy first of all the music and the performance,
I’m also very interested in electronics and sound.
Maybe that’s why I became a sound engineer.
I’m both electrical engineer and electronics engineer as well as I have an economics degree.
I toured as sound engineer for about 25 years (started early); I stopped touring when I got kids. It’s not easy to be on tour 350 days per year with wife and kids back home.
I now own a company in a completely different business, but I am still fascinated by sound and electronics that’s why I’m here at this forum.
Stinius
stinius said:
Is this the test procedure you use for yourself, or do you use another one, or do you have no test procedure?
stinius said:
Is this how you actually test cables, or is it only your opinion on the matter, without any actual experience?
stinius said:
In the light of you impressive background – how do you choose cables and other components for your setup, or may be you don't care and don't choose?
syn08 said:
A good point
So how is the weather in Canada, will it be a white christmas?
Stinius
stinius said:
We had a big storm here in Boston this weekend guaranteeing a white Christmas (what are Bing's kids going to live off of when that song goes into the public domain), just kidding.
stinius said:
We're not too far from Alberta. 5 cm accumulated so far this afternoon and it's still snowing.
stinius said:
Toronto: Two snowstorms in the last 4 days (and 1,300 car crashes), one to go tomorrow evening. Extreme cold weather emergency extended by the City Hall. Already 25cm of snow on the ground.
In short, winter in Canada. I miss California.
Joshua_G, you won't get a certain significant group here to listen for themselves for the differences, or to believe that you hear anything important. I believe you, because I share the same experiences. I wish it were easier to dismiss wire and cable, but then I am in the serious business of making competitively successful audio equipment. Trust me, wire makes a difference to me. Still, with the detractors of this opinion in full force on this thread at the moment, it is best not to keep 'shaking their cage'.
John Curl
I can accept that you and others hear a difference but I also know that others don't so I can see that if you allow for cable sound in your equipment you will satisfy those who hear a difference without upsetting those who don't. You are in a win win situation.
I can accept that you and others hear a difference but I also know that others don't so I can see that if you allow for cable sound in your equipment you will satisfy those who hear a difference without upsetting those who don't. You are in a win win situation.
Thank you, John.
What amuse me are those who don't hear differences that argue with those who hear.
They cannot possibly know whether others hear differences or not, or whether the heard differences are real or imagined, for they don't have the relevant experience – so they outsmart, or think they do. When asked about their own experience, they resort to name calling.
What amuse me are those who don't hear differences that argue with those who hear.
They cannot possibly know whether others hear differences or not, or whether the heard differences are real or imagined, for they don't have the relevant experience – so they outsmart, or think they do. When asked about their own experience, they resort to name calling.
SY,
the procedure you´ve send to Joshua_G. will most likely require an extended training period to get useful results.
It is known, that (at least) in audio blind test a discrimination test protocol, which needs nill tests (means faked switching) will produce a lot of false answers for these nill tests. (as posted earlier, see for example Nousaines on this matter).
It would be better to choose a pure preference protocol with identification as a correct answer or by choosing a describing word pair for the DUTs in an initial listening/training period.
Wishes
the procedure you´ve send to Joshua_G. will most likely require an extended training period to get useful results.
It is known, that (at least) in audio blind test a discrimination test protocol, which needs nill tests (means faked switching) will produce a lot of false answers for these nill tests. (as posted earlier, see for example Nousaines on this matter).
It would be better to choose a pure preference protocol with identification as a correct answer or by choosing a describing word pair for the DUTs in an initial listening/training period.
Wishes
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