Solder Type
I am also a silver wire user. Even for PS wiring.
Once, I made an interconnect with Teflon tubing and silver wire together with NextGen Silver connectors, but did not like the sonics from that combination. Using Cotton as insulation fixed the sonics to my liking.
Teflon is nice to use as it is a mechanically better insulator than cotton, and Teflon does not melt when I solder. Cotton is fine for soldering, too.
John - type of solder has not been discussed as far as I remember (but maybe i have missed it).
Some say that the solder used make a sonic change, some laugh at this.
Personally, I use Furutech's silver solder, and like it. It solders well, and the fumes are OK 😉
What are your thoughts on solder type?
Sigurd
I am also a silver wire user. Even for PS wiring.
Once, I made an interconnect with Teflon tubing and silver wire together with NextGen Silver connectors, but did not like the sonics from that combination. Using Cotton as insulation fixed the sonics to my liking.
Teflon is nice to use as it is a mechanically better insulator than cotton, and Teflon does not melt when I solder. Cotton is fine for soldering, too.
John - type of solder has not been discussed as far as I remember (but maybe i have missed it).
Some say that the solder used make a sonic change, some laugh at this.
Personally, I use Furutech's silver solder, and like it. It solders well, and the fumes are OK 😉
What are your thoughts on solder type?
Sigurd
john curl said:I like to use quality wire. The minimum is oxygen free copper with a good insulation. Quality silver is the best that I have tried so far. However, it is expensive, and hard to break-in, and even directional. Darn, what a hassle.
Solid core wire diameter
AFAIK,
people prefer solid core wire because of their sonics,
and nothing else.
Some even prefer a special diameter of solid core wires for line amps. Around 0,5mm.
My silver wire is solid core and 0,5mm.
Sigurd
AFAIK,
people prefer solid core wire because of their sonics,
and nothing else.
Some even prefer a special diameter of solid core wires for line amps. Around 0,5mm.
My silver wire is solid core and 0,5mm.
Sigurd
janneman said:
Edmond Stuart said:
what do you mean therewith?
english is not my motherlanguage, so i dont know the sense of *bs*
Groove-T said:
It's short for an insulting word. It's generally considered bad manners, but some here still can't refrain from using such language.
Jan Didden
In the circles I move in 😉 that is reputed to be the worst sounding cable of all types to use. Multistrand. Silver over copper. Teflon.
However. I have never compared it to the wire I use so I have no opinion. Like you. I use what I fancy or have lying around. Since I often find teflon caps sound artificial. I use either solid core copper from cat5 sometimes in whatever it comes, sometimes in silk or solid core silver with silk insulation.
Who's got the time to actually go compare hookup wire?
Jan,
Bad manners or not, as long as that smiley appears on list, I don't see any reason not to use it (of course, only in appropriate cases, like this one).
Bad manners or not, as long as that smiley appears on list, I don't see any reason not to use it (of course, only in appropriate cases, like this one).
Groove-T said:
Groove-T, Edmond is trying to tell you he have a "Bad System (BS)" therefore he can't hear the difference between new and played in cables. 😉
janneman said:
thank you
so i have no problem therewith and it will not change my experiencebased opinion
when edmond stuart says bad words to me because he think there is no difference audible, so its his opinion.
i just can see that Mr. John Curl prefer to break in his wires for better sonic results as one of very many details of the blowtorch.
i am more interested in an explanation why i can hear a difference since i have none and an answer for my question about the break in .
im no freak of ultraexpensive wires and so on, but i have done several cable tests for me with long time listening instead of AB blindtests and found small but noticable differences.
in the end i look for best possible sound and i am very glad abouth this thread were i learned very much tricks how to do it thanks to Mr. Curl on some other open minded guys.
Edmond Stuart said:
Yes, it must be 'Bad Science' because it can't yet explain why there is a difference. 😀
Groovey-T,
most folks are here for the how and why, not the if and when.
Bas just demonstrated that audibility of wires can not be quantified, and this club isn't about personal ads.
If you talk about burning in speakercable, Edmond is also entitled to raise his favorite flag.
This is the BT thread, so basically JC is the only one who can and should be allowed to freely speak his mind.
most folks are here for the how and why, not the if and when.
Bas just demonstrated that audibility of wires can not be quantified, and this club isn't about personal ads.
If you talk about burning in speakercable, Edmond is also entitled to raise his favorite flag.
This is the BT thread, so basically JC is the only one who can and should be allowed to freely speak his mind.
Attachments
Nope, but Mr Curl is the single individual who can share his thoughts about how the Blowtorch is built and why it sounds like that.
That flag is straight to the point and very efficient, i can see the temptation.
That flag is straight to the point and very efficient, i can see the temptation.
john curl said:I like to use quality wire. The minimum is oxygen free copper with a good insulation. Quality silver is the best that I have tried so far. However, it is expensive, and hard to break-in, and even directional. Darn, what a hassle.
What a wicked old man you are !!!!
Reminds me of a child throwing candies to a bunch of mokeys in the Zoo, enjoy the turmoil !!!!
Rodolfo
PS Please, I am not implying people here are monkeys, only the outcome of some pot-stirring makes resemblance of such kind of event.
john curl said:I like to use quality wire. The minimum is oxygen free copper with a good insulation. Quality silver is the best that I have tried so far. However, it is expensive, and hard to break-in, and even directional. Darn, what a hassle.
John;
I heard about a theory of break-in acceleration: you have to mix rap, country music, soul, rock, and some specific classic, in some special proportions known only to some selected guru.
My deceased business partner, Bob Crump, the real founder of the Blowtorch, made cables on the side, while he kept his real job in insurance, about 15 years ago.
Bob had a good ear for these sorts of things, and every time that I met with him at the CES, before we actually ever worked together, I always found his demo room to sound good in a comfortable way, significantly above average.
He found that silver wire was the 'best of the best' but it had to be broken-in. Years before, back in 1978, I had initially tried a well made silver cable that I purchased in Japan. I was disappointed in the sound, as it was forward and edgy. I did not know or understand why, at the time.
Bob found that running music or a low frequency square wave through the cable, for a long length of time, made all the difference. He even got an associate to make a cable break-in tester with a 555 chip and convenient connectors for easily connecting cables.
At first, Bob tried to get his customers to break-in their own cables, because it was so tedious to do so, in advance, but he found that they just did not want to wait, and wanted him to do it in advance.
You see, Bob would demo with 'broken-in' cables and the customer would buy his cables on hearing them. However, IF he sold them 'non-broken-in' cables, they would be initially disappointed, and would hear changes in the cable over time. He told them to be patient and everything would work out, but they were not as patient as him, so he started to 'break-in' the new cables in his garage. I never saw it, but I know that he had several set-ups for different types of cable assemblies: loudspeaker, interconnect, and power. It typically took about 30 days, I think, for the cables to sound their best.
It sure seemed to make a big difference in silver wire. It made it smooth, yet still very articulate. The nasty edge was gone. This is what we used in the Blowtorch.
Bob had a good ear for these sorts of things, and every time that I met with him at the CES, before we actually ever worked together, I always found his demo room to sound good in a comfortable way, significantly above average.
He found that silver wire was the 'best of the best' but it had to be broken-in. Years before, back in 1978, I had initially tried a well made silver cable that I purchased in Japan. I was disappointed in the sound, as it was forward and edgy. I did not know or understand why, at the time.
Bob found that running music or a low frequency square wave through the cable, for a long length of time, made all the difference. He even got an associate to make a cable break-in tester with a 555 chip and convenient connectors for easily connecting cables.
At first, Bob tried to get his customers to break-in their own cables, because it was so tedious to do so, in advance, but he found that they just did not want to wait, and wanted him to do it in advance.
You see, Bob would demo with 'broken-in' cables and the customer would buy his cables on hearing them. However, IF he sold them 'non-broken-in' cables, they would be initially disappointed, and would hear changes in the cable over time. He told them to be patient and everything would work out, but they were not as patient as him, so he started to 'break-in' the new cables in his garage. I never saw it, but I know that he had several set-ups for different types of cable assemblies: loudspeaker, interconnect, and power. It typically took about 30 days, I think, for the cables to sound their best.
It sure seemed to make a big difference in silver wire. It made it smooth, yet still very articulate. The nasty edge was gone. This is what we used in the Blowtorch.
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