Just some of us.
In a different thread, I raised the hypothesis that these are the ones who had an unhappy childhood. Strangely, the hypothesis was refuted. 🙂
Strange, in Indonesia "unhappy childhood" translate as "masa kecil kurang bahagia". We use this phrase in same situation.
How about some measurements to look at or sound files to listen to instead of the endless blah blah blah?IOW, please try some arguments that IMO really could help this thread.
YouTubeHow about some measurements to look at or sound files to listen to instead of the endless blah blah blah?
"No measurement, do discussion" is funny, because many people here do not understand what it cause if there is any audible difference.
And if you dismiss even something simple like the analysis of a couple of cables to look for a mechanism then you are being closed minded.
How about some measurements to look at or sound files to listen to instead of the endless blah blah blah?
Could it be that ones own "Blah Blah Blah" always looks so much better ? 🙂
What useful arguments does Mark bring to the discussion IYO, do any of them help this thread? He has said he thinks it's pointless posting files because some people won't believe him. BTW, can you answer my question?Could it be that ones own "Blah Blah Blah" always looks so much better ? 🙂
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And if you dismiss even something simple like the analysis of a couple of cables to look for a mechanism then you are being closed minded.
Do you know microphony, tribo-electric and piezo-electric noise in cable?
How is it affect to the sound or it is no relationship with the sound?
The attitude you mention with plugging into AP or nothing is pretty pervasive out there. Consider the primary product of ASR, for example.
I suspect if you asked Amir to make some other meaningful measurements, he would add those to the test process and build up some data on the results.
Do you know microphony, tribo-electric and piezo-electric noise in cable?
How is it affect to the sound or it is no relationship with the sound?
So you jump straight into the flooby side without looking at basic cable engineering...
So you jump straight into the flooby side without looking at basic cable engineering...
I ask you. Why do you not just answer it?
It is a bit sursprising that now listeners should have the obligation to state hypothesises (and even provide measurements) about the reasons for any (maybe existent) audible difference.
People don't answer questions here, hadn't you noticed?I ask you. Why do you not just answer it?
Some people are interested in correlation.It is a bit sursprising that now listeners should have the obligation to state hypothesises (and even provide measurements) about the reasons for any (maybe existent) audible difference.
I didn't think you could, no problem
It often helps to specify the question.....
@billshurv,
the basic (ok, it's a matter of definition wrt "basic") engineering does not help, as normal bandwidth calculations show that everything is ok.
I've said in the past that it would help to draw the most basic configuration of a signal source, preamplifier and an power amplifier with ground connections and asymmetrical interconnections to see where problems might arise.
IMO even basic engineering leads to the conclusion that this quite typical configuration is able to provide many open doors for common impedance coupling, interference - some selfinduced,some from the outside - so problems more likely than unlikely.
A few posts back, the ones you ignored when you quoted me, no problem if you can't find themIt often helps to specify the question.....
It often helps to specify the question.....
@billshurv,
the basic (ok, it's a matter of definition wrt "basic") engineering does not help, as normal bandwidth calculations show that everything is ok.
I've said in the past that it would help to draw the most basic configuration of a signal source, preamplifier and an power amplifier with ground connections and asymmetrical interconnections to see where problems might arise.
IMO even basic engineering leads to the conclusion that this quite typical configuration is able to provide many open doors for common impedance coupling, interference - some selfinduced,some from the outside - so problems more likely than unlikely.
Zactly. These are all measurable. Many without advanced equipment. I would make no claims for audibility but one could at least rank cables according to how well engineered they are for the task at hand.That would be a start.
Do you know microphony, tribo-electric and piezo-electric noise in cable?
How is it affect to the sound or it is no relationship with the sound?
Tribo-electric is known to potentially be a problem with teflon.
So you jump straight into the flooby side without looking at basic cable engineering...
Bill,
There is a cable manufacturer who wraps a cellophane like material around the foil shield layer in some of their audio specific cables. This allows them to extrude the jacket easier and faster. Of course it makes the cable triboelectric like nothing else. Doesn't really stand out as a problem as it is meant to be an installed cable on low impedance circuits.
Of course if the cable path runs into vibration like from a ventilation fan the signal to noise ratio on microphone level circuits drops below acceptable levels. Most folks don't pick up the problem as it is generally at 20 or 30 hertz! But it does tend to overload inputs until the gain trim is turned down and the signal to noise ratio degraded.
So the problem does occur and is almost always ignored or missed.
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