Adorable.
But beware:
"Hermes is considered the god of boundaries, as well as the transgression of boundaries." ;-)
And he already knows how to shred. They grow up so fast these days, don't they?
Arf!,
Chris
A $90 Topping is a good DAC. Couple it to a RPi and WiFi and you have a very decent streamer.
To my mind, this is progress in action. The performance on hand for the fiscal outlay compared to say 10 years ago is amazing.
I enjoy listening to music through a CD player or streaming (Spotify) but the act of inserting a CD into the player, or hooking BT up from my phone is like getting undressed for a shower.
With vinyl on the other hand, it’s like getting undressed for sex.
Sorry, I can’t put it any other way.
😀
To my mind, this is progress in action. The performance on hand for the fiscal outlay compared to say 10 years ago is amazing.
I enjoy listening to music through a CD player or streaming (Spotify) but the act of inserting a CD into the player, or hooking BT up from my phone is like getting undressed for a shower.
With vinyl on the other hand, it’s like getting undressed for sex.
Sorry, I can’t put it any other way.
😀
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But I'd say, that it is a different topic.
The difference in the comments is simply based on that the so-called objectionist camp (a label that often does not fit, though) do not believe in audible difference if the measured numbers are below the thresholds of human hearing.
Therefore the demand of "proof" for the audibility and unfortunately the attacking style if someone (implicitely or explicitely) states that a difference exist.
In the case of vinyl it is obvious that audible differences exist and therefore it is widely accepted if someone expresses (implicitely or explicitely) a preference for one kind of vinyl record reproduction over another.
That it is still possible to just imagine differences that are not existent (for the specific listener) or to consider something as better although it is inferior (with all caveats), is often neglected.
And today, as said before, the old line of reasoning is obviously invalid now, therefore I asked for the new one, but there is apparently no answer.
Actually "better/preferece" includes that there is a difference (assuming that a real difference was percepted). AFAIR you objected to the use of "better" as a descriptor and liked the term "difference" . Again IIRC without reasoning why the former should be considered as meaningless while the latter is not.
As you might remember, I brought up the EBU recommendations for the assessment of progamme material quite regularly, as it lists a nice set of parameters that allow a more detailed description of the sound quality.
You know accompanied by some arguments why the use of qualitative experimental methods does have advantages; Bill in addition linked a PDF from a sensory lab specialised in auditory experiments and in there was included the so-called "sound wheel" that covers a lot of attributes usable for the description of sound.
Of course, IIRC again, in the context of the discussion about Oohashi et al.'s experiments, you were joking about the terms "pleasant/unpleasant" which actually is one of the descriptor pairs used in an evaluation method, known as the semantic differential techniques going back to 1957 (Osgood; Suci and Tannenbaum; The measurement of Meaning).
So it seems, that you objected to everything. 😉
Probably because I am speaking about my personal point of view, and I do find these word games boring, sorry 😱 I am not educated in debating techniques. I prefer it when Mark or anyone else adds a description to what's "better"
As a reminder, we did our first controlled listening test (including the "blind" property) around 1984 on two foil capacitors after having read articles from Dan Shanefield about "blind listening tests" that should be used for the evaluation of the reproduced sonic quality.
We tried it because in sighted listening tests the difference between the two capacitors appeared to be quite profound and I could not imagine not being able to detect this difference just because of a blind conditions. Different dieletrica, MKT vs. MKP (metallized), price converted to Euros 1-2 € each.
I got a positive result -but noticed the difficulties within a controlled experimet which started my interest - while my colleague did not.
That was quite interesting as he was before describing the sonic difference in a way that was very similar to my impressions.
A couple of years later I did similar tests on coupling capacitors used for a line stage (this time including the then suddenly quite popular fancy capacitors like sidereal and wondercap) and concluded that it would be better to use no capacitor at all, because every type changed something in comparison to the non capacitor condition.
Then it seems to be better to avoid jokes if somebody uses descriptive terms in evaluations, mhm?
As usual, it depends; usage of descriptors is context based, that's why I did mention the EBU method, as it is accompanied by a set of sound sample to illustrate the meaning/use of the parameters. The absolute qualitive is still not assessable but the differences in the samples should be.
But the only was to ensure that two people have mutual understanding of the meaning of a descriptor is to have them listen together under the same conditions and talk about the sonic impression.
I've a weak memory that a member regularly invites others (or encourages them to visit him) to find out, but I wonder who that was....... 😉
Points taken. I did suggest to Mark that since this is a forum where he doesn't give descriptions and most people aren't able to visit him he might try to describe, he did once or twice
COG/NPO are wonderful caps. You can get them in 1000 VDC 1206 and 1210 now which are great for comp networks in amps.
Ditto RIAA networks where they just keep getting better. I measured 10 off 10nF and they were all within about 20 pF of each other.
I am sure huge Teflon and other sorts of film caps are not as good as the ones I mentioned above. For one, they act as antennas picking up all sorts of gunk whereas the small SMD types do not.
I always laugh when I see photos of some of the ‘high end’ stuff with these sorts of caps dotted all over the place simply for what I can only describe as ‘marketing kudos’.
Sometimes you just have to use a cap. BuT just make sure you use something decent.
So you have a relation with a cartoon figure, Bianca Castafiore ?
That explains a lot 😀😀
Hans
Very interesting analysis. As the kind of reasoning you describe is totally surrealistic for me, I will comment point by point.
So, all this is based on thresholds of human hearing (highly computed by our brain) of which we have no precise idea and on measurements made, most of the time, with continuous signals which have only a very distant relationship with those of the music we listen to?
Two remarks. First, we perceive the universe around us through our senses. In an emotional way. If our eyes were electronic microscopes in the range of ultraviolet, the idea we would have of it would be very different. And how we interact with him as well.
When one perceive something that is fleeting, like a musical note, it is impossible to prove it to someone who does not share the same experience.
- Oh, look, a boat on the horizon!
- Where ? I see nothing !
The only logical reflex is to check for yourself whether or not you perceive the same thing. Why answer aggressively that the one who has seen something is a fool?
Here, again, I don't see the point. Suppose one feel a difference between two things that have no differences (or better too little differences, because two identical things never exists) where is the harm ?
Especially since all this ridiculous hifi business is only a game of illusion, a simple search for pleasure.
If I fill my house with cable lifters and I find that my stereo sounds better with them, how does this harm my neighbor? I will not have spent my money in vain, since my pleasure has increased.
The old line of reasoning ? You mean to use our ears to listen to music and our eyes to look at pictures ? And to simply choose what we prefer ? You'd have to be crazy to do such a thing.
The new one is to read papers written by authorities, and to admit guilt if what we perceive is not in accordance with the holy bible ? And, above all, once you have become deaf and blind, to build a woodshed for the others that don't believe blind in this religion ?
The "new one" seems pretty medieval, intolerant, sterile.
"And yet it moves."
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