Repeating this view again and again IS imposing your view on us. Just saying once 'I don't get vinyl' and stopping there is all that was needed. But you didn't. Or had you forgotten you'd already said all that?
Mark doesn't appear to measure anything. Yet claims 'better'.
I'm still watching so don't lie. I said 'mid level dacs in the range of $1,000 to $3,000.'
With all due respect and no intent to aggress-you, but it seems to me that this is precisely what you are trying to do yourself: to impose that looks like your "religion".
I have to laugh. I deleted a comment before posting on Mark always dissing us for not having good enough equipment. Should have left it in for the comedy value.
Mark, very few of us can afford such prices. And we are all here, I think, to try to break this wall of false connection between prices and real value. I am pretty sure that all the reasons of our presence here.
If not, it should be easy to look at the benchmarks and chose the one at the top of the list without any regards of the prices. The funny thing, on my point of view is that will never ensure, out of an intellectual satisfaction, that we will have the best gear for what we like to hear that is different from one guy to another.
The clever mind games around not doing a DBT of any kind I find amusing. Yup, you can't catch me no you can't catch me.
Which makes it hard to understand why he thinks anything is going to be resolved
Value to cost is definitely not related......but some more costly things are worth the $$ if you want the extra performance.
A perfect example of cheap but good was the Adcom 535.....was only like $300 and whooped up on many of the much more expensive amps.
Did Nelson have a hand in the 535?
A perfect example of cheap but good was the Adcom 535.....was only like $300 and whooped up on many of the much more expensive amps.
Did Nelson have a hand in the 535?
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I have done them at times. Not going to go to the trouble with every single change. Prefer to use multiple skilled listeners and multiple listening sessions as a method for double checking listening perceptions when something worth being really sure of comes up. Enough natural blind events happen anyway, not expected at all by the listener.
Jams HPA-1 design was mostly done by listening except a few AP checks at the very end. Nelson Pass tried blind testing Jam, so did Joe who ran Pass Labs on a day to day basis when Jam was hired. Jam always passes those tests better than anyone else, usually perfect scores. Jam normally listens while knowing what he is listening to though. He can do it, you probably can't.
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Do they sound better?
You claimed they don’t. I’m simply saying the measurements don’t support your statement.
Unless you know something about them I don’t, or it’s that old chestnut ‘measurements can not predict sound . . .’
They won't be resolved either if measurements used don't comport well enough with human perception, and they don't.
So... Nothing of that nature will ever be resolved here, it never has and it never will.
Bill,
I don’t try to defend the ice skate thesis, but if a similar thing happens between needle and LP it is not because of heat development by friction but because of pressure, just like ice skating.
Every solid becomes eventually fluid under pressure and part of the energy needed for this results in a temp increase.
And there is at least some circumstantial evidence pointing in this direction.
I’ll show these former results tomorrow.
Hans
Of course not, so no need to use it as an excuse to waltz off in a huff.....oh wait.....you didn't 🙂
Wow such discipline I'm impressed, OTOH what are you talking about? Listening to wires, but now there is something to sell. BTW if you were making an insult IDGAS if that matters.
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Hans: Water is a curious and unique molecule so you cannot extrapolate local melting with an ice skate to vinyl IMO.
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