Is this the best way to pose the problem, I thought we were looking for an estimate for distortion? Also when you talk about energy where does the frequency come into it, at DC the line stores energy?
Sorting some papers today, I came across this memo that I sent to my boss at Parasound, about 20 years ago. We were starting to lose credibility in the audio magazines and it worried me, so I wrote this: Then we started the JC series from Parasound. We are now up to 5. Worked out well.
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What extraordinary claim are you attributing to me? Or are you jumping to conclusions?
Because I ask if oxidized copper matters? because it does form a weak diode on contact.
I didnt take a position. Nor say I myself hear any difference. I never explored it actually. Its just a question.
Not knowing, I opt for not using oxidized copper wire or cable. And, protecting it better from becoming oxidized.
THx-RNMarsh
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Are you more than about 10K feet away?
Today, I am running at download speed of 28 mbs. Via LA/USA... 9000 Miles away... almost good enough for 4K streaming.
-RNM
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I would hope not, but with these guys, anything is disputed. The 'changes' worked, even without Bybees! '-)
John,
The difference here is that I make a basic assumption the others do not. I assume if enough people say they hear a particular "thing" (parts, oxide, cables, grounding etal ) Then I assume that it is true fact.
Then i try to find a test or explanation for what/why they heard it.
Where as the opposite position is also alive and well here and that is when one or a significant number of people hear/detect a difference, it is assumed to be not true.
Then proceed to prove it is not happening.
Just saying. Assumptions. Besides the basic starting assumption, that includes reading into something that is not there.
THx-RNMarsh
The difference here is that I make a basic assumption the others do not. I assume if enough people say they hear a particular "thing" (parts, oxide, cables, grounding etal ) Then I assume that it is true fact.
Then i try to find a test or explanation for what/why they heard it.
Where as the opposite position is also alive and well here and that is when one or a significant number of people hear/detect a difference, it is assumed to be not true.
Then proceed to prove it is not happening.
Just saying. Assumptions. Besides the basic starting assumption, that includes reading into something that is not there.
THx-RNMarsh
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Well, my assumptions are about the same as yours, Richard. We changed the Parasound amps by using parts that we normally used with the CTC Blowtorch or the older Vendetta Research phono stage. We already had plenty of success with these products, BUT we had to convince the Taiwanese engineers to try what parts that we had found worked over the decades. We actually REMOVED a number of parts, especially caps and only replaced them with a few REL styrenes, etc. Feedback resistors were changed, wire, connectors (no pot metal), and with our personal mods, we removed much of the steel chassis and a few fuses and replaced them with a circuit breaker. It didn't change the measurements much. Made all the difference.
You assume that others do not make that assumption? 😉 What are "enough people", and do they have to be "trusted", or do you assume that what people say about what they hear is of equal value no matter who they are?
Cute. I give no points for debating exercises.
Lets try this.... your are an MD. Who would you trust with your health/life. An MD with little or no experience or one with decades of experience? A surgeon to do a sensitive operation or a surgeon who never did that particular operation? Knowledge is what you are after. Both from academic study and experience with a lot of people variables.
Does your MD start with the assumption you are correct about how you feel or your sense of the matter. Does he/she say I dont believe you.. prove it to me. Where is your DBT? Or debate with you on your expressed experience.
My doctors accept my senses and feelings and thoughts as real experience and from it determines some tests to find out the cause of your symptoms or complaint. Then options as to what to do about it.
Its the starting point here too which throws everyone off from getting directly to the root cause of what is expressed as heard.
THx-RNMarsh
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I'm disappointed, that would have meant a lot to me.
These days I would probably trust an AI algorithm more
I'd rather you were my doctor than Mark, the thought that what I said might not be trusted would not instil me with confidence in him or his judgement.
The essence of my answer is, that approach results in stasis and nothing but arguments.
Stasis because the assumption that we already know all that can be heard means we are not open to learning.
By having the requirement that anyone who comes here with an observation must provide a years worth of dbt and results that a few here will accept is placing the bar at a level that bars entry to all.
I assume many others have listening skills beyond me, even if only in focus or experience.
As to electronics, I assume you mean the overall technology. And yet we are learning.
Take EMC, it is still in it's infancy, and many still violate it's basic tenets. Hum is only one aspect of EMC carelessness, intermodulation is another yet more subtle effect.
I am not ready to say we have developed everything that can be developed.
I am also not so gullible as to waste time on quantum dots or photos in freezers either.
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Richard, this day is an exceptional day, to mark with a white stone.
A new gimmick has just entered the software of your personal King's jester, and added to the previous three ones:
1-LMDBT,
2-Audio business (agenda etc),
3-The mysteries of the ignore list.
It is a revolutionary concept which, no doubt, we can expect a revolution in the ways of addressing all the questions that may arise for designers and DIYer of high fidelity material:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Disclaimer:
- Any relationship with phenomena that may affect sound reproduction systems or questions subject to debate would be pure coincidence.
- No contributor with a minimum of knowledge on this subject has been mistreated.
- Such a character is of pure fiction and cannot exist in a real world: no human being can survive without a brain.
No one who I trust as a listener has heard, or managed to measure, anything.
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My takeaway there is that your reputation precedes you, and that it was a preemptive strike.😛
I make the assumption that I'm probably banned or ignored on some audio websites I've never even visited..
Jn
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I don't know if this strange magazine that we could find when I was a kid "Reader's Digest" still exists.
We could find surrealist articles like "How to participate in a literary dinner without having ever read a book".
We could find surrealist articles like "How to participate in a literary dinner without having ever read a book".
So far my understanding is that the magic is created by a lacquered copper foil.
May be a couple of nano tubes are contained in the paint, but my guess would be that the alledged protons and electrons prefer to take the copper route instead of jumping through nanotube hoops.
Hans
But, my God, for what strange reason does this "Bybee purifiers" questions come up regularly on the table?
No one could measure any other signal changes other than adding a small serial resistor.
Many honest and open minded testers report that they did not hear a difference when listening.
Those who felt they heard a difference did not know how to qualify it and reported little improvements or deteriorations depending on the system or they were incorporated.
There are so many possible improvements, measurable, obvious when you listen, that you can make to an existing system, starting with the speakers so that you can focus on that sort of well known thing.
It is better to call on a surgeon, in case of bone fracture, than to be interested in homeopathy or acupuncture, right?
Ok, if those magical gadgets were sold at the price of a coffee cup, we could try and throw-it away, depending on our mood ;-) But at that price ? I prefer to call mr: M'Bala Wala'n bolo (Master Sorcerer Marabout medium) and spend a good funny moment with him without to be disappointed by the result ;-)
No one could measure any other signal changes other than adding a small serial resistor.
Many honest and open minded testers report that they did not hear a difference when listening.
Those who felt they heard a difference did not know how to qualify it and reported little improvements or deteriorations depending on the system or they were incorporated.
There are so many possible improvements, measurable, obvious when you listen, that you can make to an existing system, starting with the speakers so that you can focus on that sort of well known thing.
It is better to call on a surgeon, in case of bone fracture, than to be interested in homeopathy or acupuncture, right?
Ok, if those magical gadgets were sold at the price of a coffee cup, we could try and throw-it away, depending on our mood ;-) But at that price ? I prefer to call mr: M'Bala Wala'n bolo (Master Sorcerer Marabout medium) and spend a good funny moment with him without to be disappointed by the result ;-)
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