You are big time confusing a system steady state with a system response steady state. You are not that stupid to make me believe this is because you don’t know the difference. We call the latter “system transient response” and is used in general for what is called “system identification”, a convenient method to find the system transfer function using the Laplace transform.
But of course Jakob(x) will appear soon nitpicking and quoting 1000 pages of unrelated material.
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I think you know the basic term is sometimes used with different meaning according to context, and that you know what Jakob meant by what he said. If you wanted to be helpful you could advise him as to terminology you think would be more suited to his intended meaning. Instead you choose to go on the attack in order to try to make him shut up or go away. I think you probably do it because you think the forum will descend into audiophile-crazed chaos if nothing is done to prevent it. If so, you might have a point, but perhaps you carry it too far.
True, and to add insult to injury I can't stand "DIY" characters that never showed a single practical contribution or at least practical advice. Instead, their agenda of promoting their vested interests is pushed down the throats of the innocents. Do you need examples?
Up to you. There is no rule requiring one provide help to others, but it would be a nice thing to do if one is able. We could see if our perceptions coincide, or do it offline. Either one of us might have some false positives/negatives.
When you'll find "a single practical contribution or at least practical advice" coming from the Jakob character (not only here, but on any public fora he ever contributed or currently contributes) let me know.
I'll stop here, but not before quoting again Upton Sinclair:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"
I'll stop here, but not before quoting again Upton Sinclair:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"
Point taken. But, there are many reasons for people to strongly disagree. In fact we can see it all the time in politics and in religion when nobody's salary depends on it </prohibited topics>. You and Jakob appear to have very different personalities, two perhaps incompatible types. To me, it is not clear that Jakob is motivated by money or maybe something else. Of course, if you know rather than suspect money is involved, and the evidence is more than just circumstantial forum behavior, I would very much like to know what evidence there is.
A pressure at an instant cant be a sound unless its changing at that instant. Calculus. A polnt on a sine wave has a derivitive, which is its rate of change, at that instant. And fourier tells us that even a pulse with zero width (an instant) has frequency. If you want to expand your knowledge, learn the math.
If you are expecting proof as in a court of law, there isn't any, since this is not real life. However, circumstantial evidence is abundant. Point in case:
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/the-lounge/325234-evidence-consider-sufficient-90.html#post5523325
What about the Bybee devices promotion (shameless, I would think) by the very JC? A note on the Bybee site clearly stated (perhaps it is still there?) that Mr. JC was an associate with that business.
Need more? I collected enough in 14 years of membership here. Some of the perpetrators were rightfully banned (at least temporary, we just got a resurrection a few weeks ago, also some easy to recognize sock puppets starting the propaganda machines from scratch), others were constrained to, as much as possible, their own vendor site/pages, etc...
These (toxic) characters bear, in my opinion, a good chunk of the responsibility why today there are so few true engineers left here. Look at the technical content ten years ago, and compare with what we got today; with very few exceptions, there's not much left short of the same Lin Blameless topology, classic CFBs, one jfet head amp, advices on repairing old equipment and endless discussions on op amp rolling, sound of capacitors, etc... There are, of course, other causes as well, out of which some over inflated EE egos cannot be ignored...
Probably I am secretly hoping that one day this forum will become what it used to be, a place where novel ideas could be shared and discussed without starting from the fatal question "how does it sound", before even understanding the technical foundation.
Feeding those hoping of an ear based only shortcut to Audio Nirvana is, on another scale, probably exactly what destroyed the audio industry. It appears it is now the time for DIY audio to regress to the point of no return.
The association between the quote I provided and the political beliefs of Upton Sinclair is one of those mysteries that only a High End Audio Priest can explain. BTW, this association sounds like ****.
Yes, the test and measurement threads are some of the highest quality here of late. Wouldn't you know they tend to be places where these characters don't tread.
Who are those that will make this forum descend into audiophile-crazed chaos?
But when forum member's personal belief is so strong, none of what you pointed out matters. Those are just noise to them. As I've mentioned before, they go into block mode. Then after awhile, they come back and repeat their belief crusade.
In criminal court, people can be convicted on circumstantial evidence. Of course, there are some people in jail who shouldn't be and other people not in jail who should be. Nobody knows how many because it has never been studied, except for some capital cases. For those, the false positives are more common than many people would like to believe, but the numbers are still fairly small. Part of the reason criminal law works the way it does is because it is intended among other things to be a deterrent, to help keep society mostly well-behaved. That's the idea anyway.
Not clear to me why Jakob doesn't say more about his day job than he does. Could be lots of reasons. I can think of one: If he does perceptual testing/consulting he might prefer to do much more of it in audio than he can. He already made it clear that much more of that type of work is done in the food industry than the audio industry. Maybe he doesn't want to admit he does research on food preferences most of the time, and only wishes there was more opportunity to do it in audio. In that case people who don't like what he has to say could use the food research as an excuse to dismiss what he says about audio. It certainly doesn't mean he is selling snake oil, other than perhaps that many food products are kinds of snake oil in terms of health claims made for it. If something like that is the case, doesn't mean what he says about audio is wrong. Most of what he says is not wrong, although language can be a complication. If he is selling something, I don't get any idea of what it must be from his posts, other than if he is selling consulting services, something other people here do without getting attacked for it.
People that know JC know he lives in a modest apartment, and isn't able to sue everyone who uses his name without permission. Bybee on the other hand is wealthy, he is the guy who might be ashamed of his advertising, which JC has made plain that he hates. JC makes no money from Bybee device sales. He gets a free one to play with once in awhile, not enough of them to sell to raise money to hire a lawyer to sue Bybee, that's for sure.
If they are trying to sell in non-commercial threads, then they should suffer the consequences. I don't see Jakob trying to sell anything, no idea what it would be if I wanted to buy one of whatever it is.
JC would like to promote his name, I think. Doubt he cares of any of us buy something with his name on it or not, although he might feel flattered if someone said they bought one of a design John is proud of.
Actually, I have seen the same kind of loss in other fields where there are forums. When forums were new, lots of big names joined them because the whole thing was new and nobody knew where it would lead. People hoped it might lead somewhere good, but not yet fully known. Didn't turn out that way. There are always some people in forums that waste the time of busy people. There are always people who are obnoxious and become that last straw that makes good people decide to stop wasting their time. But, in the end, forums are mostly time-wasters and the novelty that once brought the best and brightest has worn off. People who are still working need to stay away from forums so they can get work done. Even if they had private forums by invitation only to bring back the old days, most would not come. They already know they don't need it. Pseudo-technical forums like this one are places for old farts who are retired to hang out with people pretty much like themselves. The other people here mostly seem to be amateurs who are hoping to save some money and maybe do a fun, but not too hard, hobby project at the same time.
Yes, understood. Be nice if it could happen, and not just in audio engineering, but I don't think it will. The big experiment to see what internet forums could be good for is pretty much over, IMHO.
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I don't know about that, there are plenty of other forums that I frequent that are thriving. I think interest in audio as a hobby is declining.
As old as the hills, circa 1998 I belonged to email lists and could correspond with top professors and experts in several fields. The pollution usually started with petty commercial interests (small cottage industrialists) trying to make easy money off of some of the less sophisticated participants while suppressing inputs from experts simply giving away the information for free.
Knowing Jam, I suspect it is something about Sinclair that is not liked.
True. Forgot about USENET, etc.
I guess no politics here, but I have met several hi-end designers that I would describe as world class sociopaths so I can't imagine what is wrong with Mr. Sinclair.
Where can the source of this info be found?
You can ask him, publicly or via PM.
Have you forgotten the FUD he's been spreading?
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I never said there was anything wrong with Sinclair.......I meant he was one of the good socialists, his book....(and it's relevance today)
The Brass Check, a muck-raking exposé of American journalism that publicized the issue of yellow journalism and the limitations of the "free press" in the United States. Four years after publication of The Brass Check, the first code of ethics for journalists was created.Time magazine called him "a man with every gift except humor and silence".He is also well remembered for the line: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."He used this line in speeches and the book about his campaign for governor as a way to explain why the editors and publishers of the major newspapers in California would not treat seriously his proposals for old age pensions and other progressive reforms. ( Wikipedia )
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I never said there was anything wrong with Sinclair.......I meant he was one of the good socialists, his book....(and it's relevance today)
The Brass Check, a muck-raking exposé of American journalism that publicized the issue of yellow journalism and the limitations of the "free press" in the United States. Four years after publication of The Brass Check, the first code of ethics for journalists was created.Time magazine called him "a man with every gift except humor and silence".He is also well remembered for the line: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."He used this line in speeches and the book about his campaign for governor as a way to explain why the editors and publishers of the major newspapers in California would not treat seriously his proposals for old age pensions and other progressive reforms. ( Wikipedia )
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