All opportunities to widen people's musical appreciation 😀
Nothing negative intended, I wouldn't notice if something was in or out of tune I only listen to what someone wants to present.
"Everything is music only the listening stops" John Cage IIRC.
Exactly, thank you Scott.

After Syn08 quoting PiL lyrics yesterday I had to watch their Glastonbury set where Lu Edmonds appears to be playing lead Baglama YouTube
I think Syn08 quoting PIL is really cool, as is his change in Avatar. 😉
It’s a perfect day here .......... ToS 🙂
I think Syn08 quoting PIL is really cool, as is his change in Avatar. 😉
That's the Dead Milkmen logo, I am sure you know about

Kindly a punk version of beavis and butthead!
‘We must blow up what we don’t understand’ .....gotta love it! 😀
‘We must blow up what we don’t understand’ .....gotta love it! 😀
...Oh, I have been involved in blind tests and I have got to say, they are so boring - and a bored person making good judgements is rather low percentage, IMHO. If we could make it less painful, I wouldn't mind so much. 😀
I'm not sure why one would say this; I find it far easier to concentrate on auditory stimulus when lights are low or off than when there is strong visual stimulus. I can concentrate more deeply into sound in the dark which I would say is the opposite of boring, from a sonic analysis perspective.
Perhaps there is some other issue you have had with blind or DBT experiences? I cannot think of a reason it would be the blind part.
Howie
JR's looking a little worse for wear these days.
That's the Dead Milkmen logo, I am sure you know about![]()
All good punk bands have dead members. These guys are from Ed's neck of the woods.
I had the same experience with Wendy Carlos' album "Beauty In The Beast" which uses scales other than the Western 12 tones. I listened to the whole thing three times before it sounded "in tune."...
This means that the Gamelan, which is microtonal tuned to any one of a number of complex scales of notes within an octave, will to the western ear sound completely out of tune. It is not by the way, and neither is Oriental or Middle Eastern music.
When I heard the Gamelan orchestra that I spoke about, at first it sounded way out of tune. By the end of the evening, having gotten used to the sound, it all sounded beautifully in tune! Needless to say, it completely blew my mind. 🙂
I hope this helps.
ToS
Here's a description of some of the scales she came up with - I don't know exactly what scale she used where, but I only just now learned from this video that she used scales that don't even divide evenly into the octave!
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Few scales do.Here's a description of some of the scales she came up with - I don't know exactly what scale she used where, but I only just now learned from this video that she used scales that don't even divide evenly into the octave!
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All good punk bands have dead members. These guys are from Ed's neck of the woods.
Not really, you are closer! 303.2 miles vs 304.2.
I had the PIL Metal Box...until my college room was broken into and many priceless (to me) LPs and the Metal Box stolen...I saw PIL in NYC many moons ago, love Jah Wobble's bass playing...
Howie
I think he means scales that don't begin and end on octaves.Few scales do.
I finally listened to a few vinyl records (40+ years old) on my big audio system and I then remembered what it is all about!
Few scales do.
Yes, this is true, particularly 12 note ‘unequal’ even temperament.
If all the instruments in an orchestra are tuned to A3 @ 440hz they will be in tune with each other in the octave the individual instruments mostly play in. If any instruments play chords starting either higher or lower than their tuned to octave, then those chords will start to sound progressively more out of tune, and the skill of the player getting their instrument back in tune is through the use of ‘intonation’. String players are always harping on about their intonation. Within the context of the orchestra used as a multitimbral acoustic synthesiser, tunings using even temperament as such, works remarkably well.
Still a perfect day here

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I had the PIL Metal Box...until my college room was broken into and many priceless (to me) LPs and the Metal Box stolen...I saw PIL in NYC many moons ago, love Jah Wobble's bass playing...
You need to listen to The Damage Manual (2000), what Jah Wobble does there is beyond insane.
Damage Manual is Geordie Walker (Killing Joke), Chris Connely (Ministry), Jah Wobble (PiL), Martin Atkins (PiL).
Sorry for the off topic.
That's exactly what I meant, as demonstrated in the last part of the video.I think he means scales that don't begin and end on octaves.
More to the point, all the scales in the video ARE equal (in geometric terms, of course) steps, but for the last three discussed the ending pitch is NOT an exact octave above the starting pitch.
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Yes, what I meant to say is that all sighted comparative tests are invalid. Especially audio developers should not rely on their own ears in sighted tests.
If an auditory difference exists, a blind test can be designed to bring it out. It is equally possible to design a blind test that will not bring an auditory difference out. One should aim for the former and avoid the latter.
That sounds like a great goal - how do you know that you have designed such a blind test? What controls do you suggest should be in a test that verifies it qualifies as one that meets your goal?
If this isn't verified then how do you know if a null result from a blind test is because it is a "blind test that will not bring an auditory difference out"?
Very preliminary trials with AK4499 suggest that a clear step improvement in sound quality is close to hitting the streets. Even running in the less-than-best performing DSD64 mode, it pretty much leaves DAC-3 in the history bin. All in IMHO, of course.
Hi Mark,
I am VERY interested to get your listening impressions about the AK4499.
Please be so kind to start a thread about.
Thanks
Matt
Gotcha. Sorry, I couldn't bare to watch the video. That kind of tuning is unusual.That's exactly what I meant, as demonstrated in the last part of the video.
More to the point, all the scales in the video ARE equal (in geometric terms, of course) steps, but for the last three discussed the ending pitch is NOT an exact octave above the starting pitch.
😀 Now that's funny.Nah, you asserted that you've provided evidence for your claim from 9th of June, but I hope we can agree that there is no link in your post #21590 (not in #21519 either) .
In your post #21519 you posted these quotes from the hydrogenaud.io forum:
You failed to provide evidence for your claim from 9th of June."As said before, as very similar points were discussed in Meilgaards book", "Good you be more specific on the work that was disrespected and the role Zwicker and Fastl played?"
Why didn't you quote my ""How do you listen to an ABX test?" thread over there back in 2015?"?
IOW, you do recognize that thread over at Hydrogenaudio forum since you made some posts there but because I didn't post a direct link here, it doesn't count as evidence? Surely, you do know how to get back to that thread from your computer, no?
Interesting post by you on June 9th quoted below.
And now just try to link to this fascinating thread over at Hydrogenaudio Forums - Index so that people can decide if it did only happen in your imagination or indeed in this reality. 😉
That sounds like a great goal - how do you know that you have designed such a blind test? What controls do you suggest should be in a test that verifies it qualifies as one that meets your goal?
If this isn't verified then how do you know if a null result from a blind test is because it is a "blind test that will not bring an auditory difference out"?
Instead of challenging everybody and everything, why not using yours and Jakob2s infinite wisdom and knowledge and help designing an appropriate blind test (rather than offering half baked vague suggestions, like "use positive controls")? This is what quite a few people are asking for ages now.
Not holding my breath this to happen, though, it would be a non-productive exercise for you guys 😀.
Why didn't you quote my ""How do you listen to an ABX test?" thread over there back in 2015?"?
An unforgivable mistake on Jakob2's side. He quoted a 2009 post of mine about Meyer&Moran, last week.
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